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Baghdad starts to collapse

#1
The Times

I thought it was a well written piece, it seems researched and also gives the "personal" viewpoint. Are things really that bad? Noticed at the end something like 889,000 iraqi refugees!
 
#3
read it and its very disturbing, im feel for the ordinary Iraqis, this is one big fcuk up ever and we will probably either will be withdrawing under a cloud or sticking it out for another 10 years or so.

not very good prospect with the army understaffed and recruitment going down, what sthe solution ? i don't know myself and im glad i dont have to make the decisions.
 
#4
semper said:
read it and its very disturbing, im feel for the ordinary Iraqis, this is one big fcuk up ever and we will probably either will be withdrawing under a cloud or sticking it out for another 10 years or so.

not very good prospect with the army understaffed and recruitment going down, what sthe solution ? i don't know myself and im glad i dont have to make the decisions.
Poor B*stards. Shafted by the Ba'ath and now this mess. Not all US/UK fault but we should have been ready for after the war. I hope CENTCOM are planning Iran better.
 
#5
Iraq was a mess now its a disaster area.
Win a war and you get to take place in the victory parade half win one and you get to sort out your sh1t.
Perhaps, maybe.
Georgei Boy and Tone will both be long gone before their war is sorted out and I do think incoming governemnts will have more pressing priorities then The Place up the asshole of the World.
john
 
#6
jonwilly said:
Iraq was a mess now its a disaster area.
Win a war and you get to take place in the victory parade half win one and you get to sort out your sh1t.
Perhaps, maybe.
Georgei Boy and Tone will both be long gone before their war is sorted out and I do think incoming governemnts will have more pressing priorities then The Place up the asshole of the World.
john

Doesnt matter to Bliar he's got people writing up history about him being the greatist man on earth, In 50 years kids at school
will not be writing history projects about our nations heros, They be learning of comrade Bliar :eek: :eek:

Come to think of it, If New Labour get their way History wont be taught in school :( :(
 
#8
Dear Mr Blair,

Schools in the UK are failing, however clever the figures are massaged, and thresholds for exam passes are lowered - you only have to look at the levels of adult literacy and numeracy skills. I have devised a quick session of learning to see how you are able to cope in the modern world.
[hr]
Exercise 1.
Compare and contrast the following two exercepts from recent media bulletins/news reports:

Des Browne said:
It is a proud day for the Iraqi Security Forces and the Iraqi government. They have worked hard to get here and have shown a lot of determination. Today takes them one step nearer to assuming full responsibility for their own security and to building a stable and democratic future for their country.

Quote here: MoD Defence News
James Hider said:
A local journalist told me bitterly this week that Iraqis find it ironic that Saddam Hussein is on trial for killing 148 people 24 years ago, while militias loyal to political parties now in government kill that many people every few days. But it is not an irony that anyone here has time to laugh about. They are too busy packing their bags and wondering how they can get out alive.

In one of the few comprehensive surveys of how many Iraqis have fled their country since the US invasion, the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants said last month that there were 644,500 refugees in Syria and Jordan in 2005 — about 2.5 per cent of Iraq’s population. In total, 889,000 Iraqis had moved abroad, creating “the biggest new flow of refugees in the world”, according to Lavinia Limon, the committee’s president.

And the exodus may only just be starting.

Quote here: The Times
[hr]
Exercise 2.
Considering each of the articles in full, discuss the merits of each with particular reference to:
a) the accuracy and 'truth' contained within,
b) the ability of 'news' to 'inform' the general public,
c) the morals of 'institutional' reporting.
[hr]
Exercise 3.
Write a 5,000 word essay on the impact of UK foreign policy on the people of Iraq.
NB. For the purposes of this exercise, imagine you are not a UK politician who seeks high approval ratings from the UK electorate and that Alistair Cambell is not available to assist.
[hr]
Rule:
This is to be all your OWN work: no assistance from 'special' advisors, civil servants or personal assistants, or plagurisation of others work.
 
#9
Excuse my ignorance. Can anyone explain why the animosity between Sunni and Shi'ite muslims exists on this scale? Serious question, i'm not well up on history or world affairs.
 
#10
Typical US response 'IT'S AL QUEDA!' (an organisational name they invented themselves) to a country plummeting into civil war due to their lack of control, screams of burying their head in the sand.
 
#11
Morty said:
Excuse my ignorance. Can anyone explain why the animosity between Sunni and Shi'ite muslims exists on this scale? Serious question, i'm not well up on history or world affairs.
See Northern Ireland/Former Yugoslavia for details. Same sort of deal. One group was on top for many years (Sunni Arabs in Iraq's case) and the other group resents that.
 
#15
Thank you crabby,

I suppose one aspect of the meltdown will be that those among the refugee exodus will be people who are professionally qualified and others who have either the wealth or marketable skills - the very people needed to rebuild the country - leaving a vacuum to be filled by expensively paid foreign workers exacerbating an already clearly held sense of grievance among those who feel their country has been invaded by foreigners!

What an appalling situation for ordinary innocent civilians trying to get on with their lives and just survive another day.

My heart goes out to them.

Regards and best wishes
 
#20
Simply another example of US Foreign policy, the American people must be so proud of their Government and its' success around the world. Oh say can you see - what a mess we have made!
 

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