Bagger meets Type 45 for first time

#4
Ship with long range radar - check.
AEW platform - check.
Organic carrier aircraft - errr, what did SDSR say?

The Sea King ASaCs has awesome potential, but is being axed from 2016 onwards. Originally elderly ASW Sea Kings were converted in a hurry for an AEW role after HMS Sheffield got hit by a low flying Exocet fired from a low flying aircraft. We had fighters during the Falklands Conflict, but no AEW to control them.

Post Falklands, we had AEW and a fighter. The capabilities of ship based defences increased too. Then (early 90s) we upgraded the Sea Harrier fighter, and gave it an outstanding radar (Blue Vixen) with an increased range and look down/shoot down capability, and the American AMRAAM missile as well as the short range Sidewinder.

Then in 2002-2006 we axed the Sea Harrier (just as it was about to get upgraded again - with a more powerful engine, improved nav/attack system, link 16, cockpit improvements etc), and had no fighters, but an upgraded AEW platform (now called ASaCs), and this could at least provide some command and control to the Sidewinder armed Harrier GR7/9.

Then the SDSR axed the Harrier, so now we have the sensor platform, but nothing to engage (or visually identify) the hostile aircraft or vessel with.

Of course a fixed wing capability would resolve (or at least reduce) these and other issues. See here (yes its the PPRuNe Decision to axe Harrier - "Bonkers" thread ).

Bah!

PS I believe that fast jets with radar can perform a limited ISTAR role, therefore something like a lease of a few AV8B+ (ie with radar and AMRAAM) not only gives us the fixed wing capability, and a fighter, but helps make up for the loss of Nimrod, and ASaCs and other ISTAR assets from 2016 onwards...
 
#5
Ship with radar - check.
AEW platform - check.
Organic carrier aircraft - errr, what did SDSR say?

The Sea King ASaCs has awesome potential, but is being axed from 2016 onwards. Originally elderly ASW Sea Kings were converted for an AEW role after HMS Sheffield got hit by a low flying Exocet fired from a low flying aircraft. We had fighters, but no AEW to control them.

Then we axed the Sea Harrier, and had no fighters, but an upgraded AEW platform (now called ASaCs), and this could provide some command and control to Sidewinder armed Harrier GR7/9.

Then the SDSR axed the Harrier, so we have the sensor platform, but nothing to engage (or visually identify) the hostile aircraft or vessel with.

Of course a fixed wing capability would resolve (or at least reduce) these and other issues. See here.

Bah!


Shhhhh…

RN unviels trials of new secret mini aircraft carrier CVF-45



 
#7
The Sea King ASaCs has awesome potential, but is being axed from 2016 onwards.
What will provide AEW? Drones? Baloons? I heard that the E-2 aircraft used by the Americans and French can take off from a ski jump. Could the new carriers yet be fitted with arrestor wires?

Of course, tying the entire Chinook fleet to a T45 would allow it to be lifted to a great altitude and provide AEW for an entire fleet.
 
#8
Na, truth is, the RN has had its people scouring auctions for old Walrus Amphibians and used flying boats.
 
#10
What will provide AEW? Drones? Baloons? I heard that the E-2 aircraft used by the Americans and French can take off from a ski jump. Could the new carriers yet be fitted with arrestor wires?

Of course, tying the entire Chinook fleet to a T45 would allow it to be lifted to a great altitude and provide AEW for an entire fleet.
Do they still teach how to tie knots in the Navy?

Just asking! :)
 
#14
Or a balloon knot?
 
#15
Do they still teach how to tie knots in the Navy?

Just asking! :)
Certainly. But they'd have to train the ship's company as maritime parachutists if they were to go airborne. All those matelots sporting para wings would have the Parachute Regiment crying into their pints.

Also, if you look at the air search radar it is, understandably, angled upwards to wards the sky. This is a design flaw in a sea search radar so the ship would have to be turned upside down as it was lifted.
 

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#19
Knots? Bends and hitches, pleeze. Bowline on the bight is the thing for lowering an injured man. I hope these things are still taught with the hands behind the back to simulate doing it in the dark.
 
#20
Any more views on the Sea King support contract? £258 million for four years...
 
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