BAE to close yards. Your call, a Scottish or English one.

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Kromeriz, Mar 10, 2013.

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  1. MoD locked in BAE talks - Telegraph

    Should encourage debate.

    BAE is an international company and one might feel that they are looking very closely at the Scottish referendum - especially if Scotland vote to leave and the EU gives them the heave ho.

    Will this have any impact on the yard they have said they probably need to close? Will they look to invest in facilities in England? Is worth maintaining yards in Scotland? How big would the Scottish defence budget be?

    Questions Questions
  2. If the jocks wan't independence then why should they get the jobs?

  3. Because we have dopey cocks running the gov that's why!
  4. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    ACtually I agree with you; unless we can prove better quality, price and delivery time.
  5. Pompey is toast.
  6. Shut them both. Move to Korea.
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  7. Good point
    How many BAE yards are still functioning?
    Firth of Forth

    Hmmm. To be in Europe or not?
  8. While the government may feign horror at the idea of a closure, they be also taking careful note.

    Value of some godfosaken part of Glasgowshire?

    Nothing squared.

    Value of a few hundred acres of prime south coast real estate at the end of a motorway and both mainlines from London?

    Lots and lots and sod the votes who won't vote for you anyway.
  9. BAE are truly multinational. How much will they care where the yard is as long as it has access to markets

    However, will BAE yards in Scotland have access to markets? Especially EU ones?

    I would hope that future governments will push to move work south.
  10. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    The primary risk to Scotstoun is in EU competition rules. Under current rules the Brtish govt can declare defence procurement of national interest and restrict any competition to British firms - which they currently do for naval shipbuilding. If Scotland becomes independent and part of the EU the British govt cannot award contracts for ships to be built there without competing it EU-wide. On the other hand, BAE will have done a careful assessment of the likelyhood of Scottish independence and are probably talking about Pompey.

    As to the sell off of land - BAE's shipbuilding is now done in facilities in HM Naval base, so they can close but not sell the land. They've already offloaded their Pompey assets.

  11. Scotland? Regional aid.

    The rather prosperous south? Not so much.
  12. Scotland out on its own, unhampered by EU labour legislation, and deeply needy of employment or.......
  13. However, the EU would be under severe pressure to withhold membership of the EU. Scotland would be high and dry with regard to receiving naval orders unless Scottish workers accepted huge down grades in their rates of remuneration - that should happen but won.t because people can not see the writing on the wall. Ergo, I would suggest that BAE will start to move construction south.

  14. Doubt it.

    Nice new shiny Traf Gate - easy off motorway access to the top end of the yard, regeneration of Tipner, historic dockyard not fit for purpose and Gunwharf full and a rip roaring success, more land needed in Pompey for housing.

    Pompey 2020

    Gunwharf II shopping and residential in historic dockyard, industrial park and extension to commercial port at top end, whats left of Navy down the bottom end, Portsmouth University Nelson Campus to the left on former HMS Nelson site.
  15. Deep dredge Barrow...