BA149: The Last Flight to Kuwait

#1
BBC2 2320-0050 (just) Was I the only person who stayed up to see this?

Takes as its premise the fact that, while other national carriers learned of the 2 Aug 90 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and diverted their aircraft to alternative airports, HMG allowed BA149 to proceed blithely to Kuwait City as Iraqi lead elements reached that location, resulting in an extra 350 or so Brit, US, German & French passengers as hostages for Saddam's human shield.

The reason(allegedly): to infiltrate 4x deniable 2-man OPs into Kuwait to feed info back for Desert Shield and Desert Storm/Granby.

Obviously some psychological damage to all concerned. Only one casualty: the Emir of Kuwait's brother and Head of Kuwaiti security, killed by the Iraqis.

Morality vs. Good int discuss...

Btw Further programmes on BBC2 tonight (Baghdad A&E) and Wednesday (Lawyers from the Saddam trials) in case anybody's interested.
 

Cutaway

LE
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#2
I didn't see the programme, but weren't there some SF types on that flight ?





WRR.
 
#4
Cutaway said:
I didn't see the programme, but weren't there some SF types on that flight ?





WRR.
The official line is, no, its an elaborate story dreamt up to sell a load of iffy books to walts and fantasists.
I coudn't possibly comment.
 

Cutaway

LE
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#5
sandmanfez said:
Cutaway said:
I didn't see the programme, but weren't there some SF types on that flight ?





WRR.
The official line is, no, its an elaborate story dreamt up to sell a load of iffy books to walts and fantasists.
I coudn't possibly comment.
But they would say that wouldn't they...





WRR.
 
#6
One of 'them' (allegedly) on the flight (allegedly) featured prominently in the program. Only in silhouette, and voice disguised (allegedly).

Whiffler (allegedly)
 
#7
One of "Them" on the flight has been identified as the eighth man on "The Balcony" at Princes Gate....he is now 55, bald, weighs 18 stone with a squint and lives with his mum but he only talks about it in the pub if you buy him some beer.
 
#8
Actually it was me, at 13 the youngest even trooper with THEM, but I can't talk about it...oh if you insist. Sit back and I'll tell you tail..........
 
#9
I had hoped to stimulate a discussion on how far people would go to obtain good intelligence - as in the alleged case on the programme that started me on this thread - but it seems to have developed into attempted irony (need I remind you of Section 69, Army Act 1955).

So, how far would you go to obtain reliable real-time intelligence?
 

Cutaway

LE
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#10
Teech said:
I had hoped to stimulate a discussion on how far people would go to obtain good intelligence - as in the alleged case on the programme that started me on this thread - but it seems to have developed into attempted irony (need I remind you of Section 69, Army Act 1955).

So, how far would you go to obtain reliable real-time intelligence?
Ok, you've reminded me of the most ironic section in the Act.
Now what ?
 
#11
interesting that according to the programme the operation was called Op. TROJAN HORSE

strange diversion from normal SOP to give it a name that doesnt seem particuarly random or secure, and appears to suggest it was an exercise rather than a live op. = in other words, a big old load of bollocks!
 
#12
Furryturd said:
One of "Them" on the flight has been identified as the eighth man on "The Balcony" at Princes Gate....he is now 55, bald, weighs 18 stone with a squint and lives with his mum but he only talks about it in the pub if you buy him some beer.
How do you identify the '8th' out of 2823 ---4--5--8--and counting! :headbang:
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#13
Teech said:
So, how far would you go to obtain reliable real-time intelligence?
I would go as far as spending billions of dollars lobbing various types of satellites into space, to intercept communications of all kinds, as well as capturing various types of imagery. I'm not sure that I'd bother speculatively sending a few SF bods for a nose around on the off chance that they were able to find something, at the risk of allowing hundreds of civvies to be captured or killed.

As it happens, almost everyone involved in the film shown last night knows that our superhero in silhouette is bogus and neither served in SF, nor took part in any operation in Kuwait, but I suspect that they'd spent so much money making the film, they thought they'd show it anyway, even if it was in the middle of the night when they knew nobody would be watching.
 

cpunk

LE
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#15
predatorplus said:
i saw it... one of 'them' got realy sick, and couldn't make it to the pick up point, so his mate picked him up and walked the 12 (not sure of it was miles of K's)...
Only in their fantasies.
 
#16
How, prey tell, were these "them" supposed to communicate said gleaned intel?

Getting hte intel is only part of the job.

Or were the Iraqis/Kuwaities likely to allow them to enter the country with transmitter radios? (Normally not allowed in many countries customs). And other things they might need.... typewriters, dictionaries, black nasty, sun cream in buckets...

Also, how long was this flight? How long to get "them" on board and prepped for mission? How much warning did the Brits get?

Looks like bollox.
 
#17
labrat said:
interesting that according to the programme the operation was called Op. TROJAN HORSE
Op HORSE SH!T.

chocolate_frog said:
Looks like bollox.
Pink Bobblies please ;-)

'They' stashed themselves, comms, wpns etc in the Pink Panthers, that boarded the cargo-hold unseen/heard by ground crew/plane spotters etc.

Whoops I've just breached the OSA :oops:

The name is 'Andy Mcab' c/o, B*ll Sh*t Books Lahndun, E1.
 
#19
Hi just doing some research online into these kinds of stories and came across your entry from 2003. Curious at your suggestion that the programme makers knew it was a hoax and still pout it to air - on the BBC ?
 

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