B-liar produces the goods (nearly)

Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by Ventress, Oct 22, 2006.

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  1. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator


    The PM said no military hospital could match "the specialised care and treatment our wounded forces are getting within the NHS."

    Mr Blair is quoted in the News Of The World as saying the last Conservative Government was right to phase out military hospitals.

    "What matters is that our wounded troops get the very best possible care and treatment," said Mr Blair.

    "Above all, they need first-class medical care with specialist doctors and nurses."

    Last week, Mr Blair said that at any one time there were only enough troops requiring hospital treatment to fill one or two wards.

    He has now revealed there are currently 12 at the Selly Oak and Queen Elizabeth NHS hospitals in Birmingham, which also host the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine.

    Armed forces doctors and nurses based in Birmingham are able to develop skills for the frontline environment by working in busy NHS facilities, he said.

    But he recognised troops may feel "more at home" recuperating on armed forces wards, and said efforts are already made to group them together.

    He added: "We want to go further now and set up a ward managed by the military at Selly Oak."

    And there was me thing the QEMH and CMH provided care that the local civies would give their back teeth to have rather than local NHS facilities.

    Not sure how the civilian wards will cope losing their bank holiday cover and cheap agency nurses (Military) but if the troops can get a ward manned by the military and run by the military it must be a step in the right direction.
  2. A lot of the civillian staff resented the military staff covering the bank holidays and weekend shifts as the extra money the civvies got for working them paid mortgages etc., some were under the impression that we wanted to do them!!
    All the civillian ward managers will be bothered with is having to pay a fair rate to the staff, and not having people to jiff at short notice to cover staff deficiencies caused by an outbreak of malingeritis with the staff especially prevellent close to the aforesaid bank holiday weekends
  3. It won't work, staff will be taken off the ward and used in other departments because they are short and bed managers will fill the beds if they are empty. Especially if the ward is not running to its full capacity all of the time - can you imagine the trust letting bed's sit empty becasue i certainly can't!

  4. See frimley Park when there was 2 military run wards.......average age of patient......66!

    The only reason we aren't going for one is it will cost too much to set up, these arguements about better care are dross and better training :roll: even worse!

    I am for a single military hospital, but it will never happen, he's got off the hook by spinning this yarn again about military run wards, it won't work and then it'll be absorbed by the trust and the military staff will be sent to do all the dross work!
  5. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    I never realise you got bedded down in 'The Dark', runny.
  6. Had a chat with an aeromed the other day who (despite being happy with the care he'd recieved) said he had been worried about being evacuated due to reading the news papers.

    Personally I think that has got to be the worst outcome in this whole NHS bashing fest everyone is on. There is never going to be a perfect system and perhaps the Military Hospital is not the fantastic place we'd all like to remember - but surely all this press coverage is not helping anyone?

    Least of all our soldiers! (and it's not doing much for morale in the AMS either)
  7. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    I don't imagine the dire undermanning in Defence Medical Services is helping to inspire patients or raise morale amongst medical personnel, either.

    For the patients, the long journeys from Brize Norton to Birmingham won't be fondly remembered, or the poor facilities for their families. These are things that, like security on wards, should have been taken into account and planned for when it was decided to use the NHS, and particularly when the military were committed to operations.

    The problems that are currently being aired in the media have been known about for a long time but were, it seems, ignored by both MOD and the CoC until they were embarrassed into action. Properly funded and resourced services will allay the fears of soldiers, not spin.