Awol accused soldier no coward

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8232404.stm

Cant believe it when i read this bit:

Solicitor said:
I am very keen indeed to support ordinary people who take a stand against authority and that's exactly what Joe's done, he's taken a stand.

"When I say ordinary, he's quite an extraordinary guy actually. I think his courage is the kind of courage that we should encourage in young people."
 
#2
There always seems to be a school of thought that "authority" has to be a bad thing. Too many American movies, I suspect.

Anyway, the guy shouldn't have a leg to stand on - nobody forced him to join the Army.
 
#3
exactly and by signing up surely your agreeing to live under authority more than in civvi street! wonder if anyone on here actually knows the guy in question :?
 
#5
I can believe that the guy might not be a coward - in which case he is clearly a moron.

What I can't believe is his Labour MP saying something sensible ...

Hugh Bayley said:
said he could not comment on L/Cpl Glenton's case but said, "you can't have soldiers picking and choosing what missions they go on".
 
#6
When you sign up you know exactly what you're committing yourself to. The Army has never been a democratic organisation, it works on orders from the top. If you don't like it don't join. And don't complain afterwards when you are " surprised" by an order. Live with it.
 
#7
This guy is a coward of the highest order. What part of the Oath that he took does he not get:

I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.

As a Soldier your morals do not come into it. Ged rid and chuck him in jail to rot.
 
#8
Methinks he got bored/pissed off/frustrated and fcuked off one evening. The whole thing has evolved into 'principled stand' with the aid of an Aussie wife and ambitious soliciter.

He could have signed off, asked for rear party, had a quiet word with the Padre, demanded a discharge with the help of an MP or even spat in the CO's face and refused to soldier. Soldiers today have a hell of a lot more options than they did a generation ago. If he really objected to serving in Afghanistan I'm betting he wouldn't have been sent; It's not like he's a stupid frightened kid who will jump when the Sergeant Major growls.

I would send him straight to a civy nick and bang him up with the dregs of society; not for going absent but for bullshiting that he is a conscientious objector.....
 
#9
Punk_trooper said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8232404.stm

Cant believe it when i read this bit:

Solicitor said:
I am very keen indeed to support ordinary people who take a stand against authority and that's exactly what Joe's done, he's taken a stand.

"When I say ordinary, he's quite an extraordinary guy actually. I think his courage is the kind of courage that we should encourage in young people."
I can’t believe a person who has never served thinks he has the knowledge to comment on a subject he has no experience of :roll:
 
#11
Punk_trooper said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8232404.stm

Cant believe it when i read this bit:

Solicitor said:
I am very keen indeed to support ordinary people who take a stand against authority and that's exactly what Joe's done, he's taken a stand.

"When I say ordinary, he's quite an extraordinary guy actually. I think his courage is the kind of courage that we should encourage in young people."
Reading your sig block, i notice you aren't serving yourself yet. I'd wind your neck in until you're even near being deployed.
 
#12
tomthetinker said:
Methinks he got bored/pissed off/frustrated and fcuked off one evening. The whole thing has evolved into 'principled stand' with the aid of an Aussie wife and ambitious soliciter.
Yerah this was brought up in a few other threads surrounding the case . He was refused a visas to stay in Oz so when he came back he started up with this " Oh I think the war in Afghanistan is wrong and that's why I went AWOL " stuff

Looking on the bright side the collective standard of the British Army is improved with this gutless rat no longer being in it
 
#13
I still consider myself bound by the oath even at my time, not too sure about the General and Officers bit though.
This guy may be trying to follow a similar route as the American officer of recent times. Better off without him,how would you feel with the likes of him watching your back :x :x
 
#14
His 'principled stand' has not and will not make any difference whatsoever with regard to whether we stay in Afghanistan or not. What it will have meant, however, is that some other bloke (or bird) will have had to deploy in his stead. So congratulations Joe - I hope you had a nice time with your missus whilst the squaddie who served your time in Afghanistan was missing theirs.
 
#15
Like the bit about normal duties. For normal read picking glass out of his food and having his kit shat on 24/7 as I imiagine his muckers are none to pleased. I'd imagine civvy gaol would be quite a relief.
 
#16
CAARPS said:
Punk_trooper said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/8232404.stm

Cant believe it when i read this bit:

Solicitor said:
I am very keen indeed to support ordinary people who take a stand against authority and that's exactly what Joe's done, he's taken a stand.

"When I say ordinary, he's quite an extraordinary guy actually. I think his courage is the kind of courage that we should encourage in young people."
I can’t believe a person who has never served thinks he has the knowledge to comment on a subject he has no experience of :roll:

Funny enough I thought the same thing, so how long have you been in then punk_trooper?
 
#17
I posted earlier and tried my hardest to put across my arguement in a contructive manner however the more i think about it the more my blood boils and the veins in my head bulge, Over the last 14 years i have been serving i think about the blokes, good men who i have had the pleasure to serve with who joined the Army like me to do a job and do it where ever you are told to, not once questioning the reasons why. Some of these blokes are no longer here and the fact this cnut is still allowed to wear the same uniform as me and others serving really grips my shit!!!!
If he was in my Unit i would get out my S10 and entrenching tool!!!! ****.
 
#18
wedge35 said:
His 'principled stand' has not and will not make any difference whatsoever with regard to whether we stay in Afghanistan or not. What it will have meant, however, is that some other bloke (or bird) will have had to deploy in his stead. So congratulations Joe - I hope you had a nice time with your missus whilst the squaddie who served your time in Afghanistan was missing theirs.
Well said Wedge - although I doubt that those seeking to project the conscientious objector status will even comprehend this point.
 
#19
If he'd gone public made a big fuss when He returned from afgahistan as a concentious Objector that would be a stand. fact he fecked off for two years and only handed himself in later when out of idea's proves he's a kunt of the highest order. marching in as the guilty b'stard and taking whats coming would show he had some backbone.
 
#20
Can see his face when his visa was denied after all would Aussie want another convict down there even if it was voluntary? Mind you I do wonder if he spent time bigging himself up in the bars to people about slipping off AWOL thinking he was bulletproof.
 
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