Automatic for the People - Telegraph article on AR15 in the USA

#1
Now I thought this may be of interest - and more relevant here than in the Current Affairs bit..... you may disagree, but it is, after all, about guns.

Being not particularly technically gifted I am hoping this link will work: http://fw.to/sIvI47V

I'm no screaming leftie (honest), but I do tend to think legally held AR15's and their like in civvy hands is a tad unnecessary....
 
#5
No, I need one. Some 'travellers' of unknown abode have left a couple of horses on my field. I think one of these might solve the problem.
 
#6
No, I need one. Some 'travellers' of unknown abode have left a couple of horses on my field. I think one of these might solve the problem.
You are lucky they have left horses, round my patch close to the time of Appleby fair they are more likely to take them.

As for dealing with 'travellers' I understand the desire to employ an AR15.......
 
#7
What would you allow then - and why?
Depends really what purpose the weapon is for. Being in the UK the argument for home defence doesn't really stand up, so the use would be restricted to sport (fluffy animals or paper targets). With the correct checks, limitations and storage I would be fine with pistols re-entering the fray and long barrelled pretty much where we are now.

In the US - different story and one that I can only comment on based on second hand knowledge. That said, the logic in me says that even if you entertain home defence (and I remain to be convinced) I reckon a semi auto shotgun would act as sufficient incentive for unauthorised people to leave one's home. I can't see the argument for a weapon normally only used by Armed Forces.

The studies make a good case to limit ownership, type and capacity. None of that contradicts the recent re-interpretation of the Second in my view. That re-interpretation is itself a lifetime of heated debate.

'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' An idiot with an AR 15 will kill more in a given period of time than one with a shotty. And in any case arguing about the relative ability to kiill people kind of misses the bigger issue......
 
#8
'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' An idiot with an AR 15 will kill more in a given period of time than one with a shotty. And in any case arguing about the relative ability to kiill people kind of misses the bigger issue......
No, you are wrong, guns are evil, the people behind them are entirely blameless....in fact it's not just guns, all weapons are evil and always have been.

If you look at the Lascaux cave paintings, thats a neolithic press article on the dangers of flint and sharp sticks!
 
#10
If someone, after proper FAC vetting like in the UK, can be trusted to own .30 calibre bolt action rifles, then why not a semi-auto in the same calibre or smaller?
If your FEO and referees accept you're not going to go postal with a vintage .303, why would you suddenly do so just because the rifle is black, holds more ammo and doesn't require you to work a bolt for each shot?
 
#13
You are lucky they have left horses, round my patch close to the time of Appleby fair they are more likely to take them.

As for dealing with 'travellers' I understand the desire to employ an AR15.......
Well of course if you want some horses .......
 
#14
I have an AR15. And a SIG PE-90.

Tell me why I shouldn't.
 
#17
Oh, I lost the bayonet lug when I changed to an adjustable low-profile gas block to reduce the recoil impulse and improve my split times between shots.

Guess it's OK then.
 
#18
having all the tools in the world will not stop some pissed up nutter from glassing you in the throat because you spilled his pint, or bumped into his girlfriend. Different country, different threat.
 
#19
I have an AR15. And a SIG PE-90.

Tell me why I shouldn't.
There's lots of reasons why you shouldn't.

But there's no-one who's going to try to get them off you.
 
#20
If someone, after proper FAC vetting like in the UK, can be trusted to own .30 calibre bolt action rifles, then why not a semi-auto in the same calibre or smaller?
If your FEO and referees accept you're not going to go postal with a vintage .303, why would you suddenly do so just because the rifle is black, holds more ammo and doesn't require you to work a bolt for each shot?

I don't know where YOU live, but here in the UK we've been asking ourselves that same question since 1988, when we lost all our self-loading centre-fire long guns. As for .30cal bolt-action rifles, many of us have .50cal BMG-calibre rifles, too.

tac
 
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