Australian Defense Force selects Boeing AH-64E Guardian to replace the Tiger

[Union Jack]

Subs are the next fiasco involving the French!

Sandwiches or submarines?

Jack

 

[Krautman]

And the German Heeresflieger as well on escort with their NH90 TTH.

cheers

After some "emergency" upgrades to the transmission. Afghanistan was probably too high, too hot and too sandy for this showpiece of Franco-German cooperation.

 

[fantassin]

After some "emergency" upgrades to the transmission. Afghanistan was probably too high, too hot and too sandy for this showpiece of Franco-German cooperation.

Strangely, French Tigre in French hands have killed 100s if not 1000s of bad guys in Afghanistan, Somalia, CAR, Mali and Libya, night and day, in mountains, deserts and even from the sea.

I suppose it must be French arrogance

 

[Krautman]

Strangely, French Tigre in French hands have killed 100s if not 1000s of bad guys in Afghanistan, Somalia, CAR, Mali and Libya, night and day, in mountains, deserts and even from the sea.

I suppose it must be French arrogance

Well the German Tigers had to be upgraded. There surely are differences between the HAP/HAD and the UHT.

However, from the taxpayer's point of view, the French-dominated Airbus Group has delivered another brilliant performance. The Tiger is sub-optimal and some AH-64D would have been the better buy.

I am sure that the French tigers work just as well as the Sanofi COVID-19 vaccine, of which the EU bought 300 million doses after only a little encouragement from our French friends. We'll see how many it kills after it will be available in one or two years.

Ok, that was unobjective and I apologise at this point for derailing the thread, it won't happen again.

 

[fantassin]

Well the German Tigers had to be upgraded. There surely are differences between the HAP/HAD and the UHT.

However, from the taxpayer's point of view, the French-dominated Airbus Group has delivered another brilliant performance. The Tiger is sub-optimal and some AH-64D would have been the better buy.

I am sure that the French tigers work just as well as the Sanofi COVID-19 vaccine, of which the EU bought 300 million doses after only a little encouragement from our French friends. We'll see how many it kills after it will be available in one or two years.

Ok, that was unobjective and I apologise at this point for derailing the thread, it won't happen again.

I agree, in German hands, the Tiger has never killed anybody but its crews.

Mechanic's error blamed for 2017 German helicopter crash in Mali | DW | 12.12.2018

A mistake during maintenance work caused last year's Bundeswehr helicopter crash in Mali while on a UN mission, claims Germany's armed forces. The Airbus UH Tiger plunged uncontrollably, killing its two pilots.

www.dw.com

I suppose that's what is called German efficiency?

 

[Krautman]

I agree, in German hands, the Tiger has never killed anybody but its crews.

Mechanic's error blamed for 2017 German helicopter crash in Mali | DW | 12.12.2018

A mistake during maintenance work caused last year's Bundeswehr helicopter crash in Mali while on a UN mission, claims Germany's armed forces. The Airbus UH Tiger plunged uncontrollably, killing its two pilots.

www.dw.com

I suppose that's what is called German efficiency?

The final report confirms that there was an error on the part of Airbus Helicopters. A company with its headquarters in France, led by a Frenchman, a drone that comes from the tightly knit network of the French private and executive sectors. In other countries, it would be called corruption.

But it's nice to see you making fun of German soldiers which get killed in a dirty little French war.
It shows who and what you are.

 

[fantassin]

The final report confirms that there was an error on the part of Airbus Helicopters. A company with its headquarters in France, led by a Frenchman, a drone that comes from the tightly knit network of the French private and executive sectors. In other countries, it would be called corruption.

But it's nice to see you making fun of German soldiers which get killed in a dirty little French war.
It shows who and what you are.

Hopeless, useless and arrogant. No surprise there, Germany at its usual best

 

[Cromarty]

IIRC the French flew Tigers in Afghanistan, I seem to remember seeing them flying in strike groups, well in the company of their Pumas on more than occasion in the skies over Kabul

Read up on the laundry list of issues the Australian Army had/has with the EuroTrash Tiger ARH.

 

[PhotEx]

I'm not feeling the Franco-German love

 

[AfghanAndy]

IIRC the French flew Tigers in Afghanistan, I seem to remember seeing them flying in strike groups, well in the company of their Pumas on more than occasion in the skies over Kabul

You are correct. In that volatile area that was know Kabul and the surrounding area. Not exactly know for its combat action though. Both the area and helicopter.

The Germans also deployed tiger to Afghanistan.

Both nations flew them. Both nations had serious problems with them. Both nations were operating in relatively benign environment.

 

[Sttrory]

What's wrong with them ? Bad design or just ####

 

[jagman2]

Strangely, French Tigre in French hands have killed 100s if not 1000s of bad guys in Afghanistan, Somalia, CAR, Mali and Libya, night and day, in mountains, deserts and even from the sea.

I suppose it must be French arrogance

I wasn't aware that French arrogance was so lethal.......

 

[SkippedOnce]

Better Boeing than that Euro trash. We should especially have NOTHING to do with anything the French are involved with.

Team America: because buying Kaman was such an ocean-going success.

 

[SkippedOnce]

Read up on the laundry list of issues the Australian Army had/has with the EuroTrash Tiger ARH.

... and then compare it to the 'laundry list of issues' the Australian Army had when they introduced UH-60.

 

[Boxy]

Read up on the laundry list of issues the Australian Army had/has with the EuroTrash Tiger ARH.

I know of the faults but the implication was that the French were managing to fly it operationally, to me that would seem to indicate that problems lie not with helicopter per se but elsewhere

 

[AfghanAndy]

What's wrong with them ? Bad design or just ####

I’m no expert on them. But I gather their build quality isn’t quite up to scratch, reliability is an issue and they keep crashing. Although, the be fair, the crashes may be down to pilot error.
Although out if 180 built, several not including the prototype have crashed.

Australia’s decision though may be political. With China being seen as more of a threat in that part of the world. Best to use kit the same as, or very similar to you’re largest ally. The French/Germans/EU have a habit of limiting military sales just when you need them in order to protect BMW and Mercedes sales .

 

[SkippedOnce]

I know of the faults but the implication was that the French were managing to fly it operationally, to me that would seem to indicate that problems lie not with helicopter per se but elsewhere

Or, to be fair, their risk appetite was greater. That said, I don't recall any particular issues with Tigre during OUP though, where they went 'sausage side' on a regular basis against a threat at least as capable as anything in Afghanistan or Mali.

 

[fantassin]

I’m no expert on them. But I gather their build quality isn’t quite up to scratch, reliability is an issue and they keep crashing. Although, the be fair, the crashes may be down to pilot error.
Although out if 180 built, several not including the prototype have crashed.

Australia’s decision though may be political. With China being seen as more of a threat in that part of the world. Best to use kit the same as, or very similar to you’re largest ally. The French/Germans/EU have a habit of limiting military sales just when you need them in order to protect BMW and Mercedes sales .

Keep on crashing ?

The boxheads lost 2 (1 in peacetime, 1 deployed) and the French 2 in operational conditions (1 colision, 1 hard landing).

Not exactly a flying coffin of F-104 proportion in 15 years of continuous operations.

 

[fantassin]

Read up on the laundry list of issues the Australian Army had/has with the EuroTrash Tiger ARH.

If they had not bastardized it with local trinklets it wouldn't have happened

 

[fantassin]

You are correct. In that volatile area that was know Kabul and the surrounding area. Not exactly know for its combat action though. Both the area and helicopter.

90 French soldiers died in Afghanistan, 66 of which KIA. The action was not limited to Helmand....