Aussies look for more British soldiers

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  1. From The Grauniad:

    Sounds tempting on the face of it, doesn't it? :D

    However, I am staying right here....

    The story is here.
     
  2. Where do I sign?

    Have had a few conversations over the years with Aussie Aviation Maintainer mate of mine, and on balance, it seems that they look after their troops a lot better. Initiatives like allowing them taking leave for a few years, whilst either maintaining a reserve committment (max 100 days per year), or indeed going "bush", and only having to take the annual phys test sound like fairly commonsense ideas.

    Also, they get a lot more in terms of housing allowances, to encourage them to buy their own homes, and compensate them for selling when they are posted from A to B.

    And if you have property in the UK which you sell when you emmigrate, you can get yourself something pretty good over there. (Obviously not in all areas).

    Quite tempting though.
     
  3. The reason I would elect to stay is that we do loads of tours (they don't), have stacks of credibility (they aren't the first Army on my speed dialler) and our whole approach to operations and our unique heritage.

    Good people though!
     
  4. True, but still am of the opinion that the Army is not the best of employers at present, and that there is more to life than being banged on ops every 18 months - cos the new CO needs his tick in the box.

    Besides, Aussies did the Timor thing for quite a long time, and there are some cheeky little tours going on around the world that they get into, and we don't.
     
  5. Granted - but it's not the CO who decides when he goes on tour...

    Again true - but by 'cheeky' I think you really mean 'well remunerated UN-type' yours, don't you? :D
     
  6. Yes, to a certain extent, but funnily enough (the regiment thought it was hilarious), my last CO was dead pleased at the fact he had convinced the 1* to send the regiment on ops, when it wasn't on the orbat at all. (We were due a little breather having done quite a bit over the last few years).

    Yes, certainly meant "well remunerated" when I wrote "cheeky"!

    I do understand that we have to do ops to be relevant, and to retain our "sponsorship". However, our quality of life is constantly being eroded. Now I still believe in our professional ethos, and still promote the ethic that we are more than just employees, but this is all predicated on the fact that you are well looked after.
     
  7. Regarding pay and conditions: Yes the ADF will look after you (and also your defacto which they recognise unlike the British Army) including private medical care and cheaper mortgages (even after you have left) pay wise I wouldnt agree they get more (whilst in aus) but when they do tours overseas that are greater than 90 days they dont pay tax!!!! also the cost of living in aus is less than the UK

    Tours: unless you join a specialist unit you are unlikely to see many deployments overseas but who knows that may change in the near future

    My ten cents worth as someone who has served in both is. do it later on in your career as its a great stepping stone to imigration into aus and a bucket load cheaper than doing it as a civvy but thats just my ten cents...

    If anyone wants any more info on the adf then just PM me and i ll find out what I can
     
  8. Hi all,

    just wondering if anyone knew any good links, you know, the kind that cut through all the partyline rubbish, tailored at the recruitment of British Army soldiers to the Oz Army.

    Ive tried the standard ones, even emailed them and still had no joy!!

    VMT
     
  9. Line Grunt isn't having an easy time of it trying to join the Aus Reserves
     
  10. FAS/FIS is taking care of that
     
  11. Have given the idea up - Have had enough of dealing with blinkered and idiotic recruiting staff, who despite giving them the print offs from the ADF site insist that i redo basic training...they can all go get f**ked
     
  12. I know a few people who are either 'into' this', or have been through. One was accepted, but then after being accepted, was promoted in the British Army and changed his mind. I know of 2 others who were recently accepted and are joining next year. And I know one guy who is currently trying to get in.

    All of these stories share a common theme - time. It is a long process, purely in time terms. This is partly (I am told) because of the Aussie attitude towards admin in general. They are in no rush. It is made worse by poor communications from them to potential candidates about what they require. All the people I know who have gone down or are trying to have commented on how some advance information would be very useful, as some of the documentation the Aussies require is not easy to get at this end.

    However, of those who I know to have gone, none have complained about it yet and all are planning to stay. I guess that tells its own story.

    So, how many of you are thinking of going out there then?
     
  13. I'm aware of a few scaleys going that way within the next year or so. I would jump at the chance, but I've got nearly 5 yrs left. By the time I leave it'll have dried up, along with the civvy job market knowing my luck!
     
  14. Speak to someone with direct experience before you go near this, and examine your reasons. If you're happy marking time, waiting for your 16 year point, and hoping for more time with the kids and on the golf course, then its definitely a quality of life issue.

    However, great lads though they are (and the anglophonic countries all count as 'friends' rather than mere 'allies'), they are not a 'grown-up' army in the way we still 'just' manage to be, with swept up manoeuvre brigades, real gritty warfighting capability et al. In ways they have the edge, but because they are so small, and can focus on niche capability. That said, they want to be world players, and stand up for their interests in the south pacific.

    A friend of mine was a UK exchange instructor at their infantry battle school at canungra (sp?). He was deeply unimpressed by their general robustness, admin and quality of offr and SNCO when compared with a UK county infantry regiment (namely mine!)