Attend driver awareness course or 3 points??

#1
My missus was involved in a 4-car smash last month. Our car was written off. The front car slammed on her brakes for whatever reason and the pile-up occurred. Our car was the last car. I understand about leaving enough space etc etc and I only know what happened from what my wife said.
We received a letter stating something along the lines of "I have found there is reason to believe you were driving without due care & attention..." Long story short - pay £155 to attend the course (which she did on Saturday) or attend magistrate's court with the possibility of accruing 3 points.

Has anybody ever tested this and opted for court? It seems to me like a form of legalised scam. No evidence was offered to ius, or even reasons for their findings. It seems to me like an opportunistic money making scheme that plays on the fact most people will just "cough up" to save any hassle.

My wife said, that on the course, there were people who demonstrably should never be allowed within the same postcode of a motor vehicle. One of the "instructers" having to grap control off some old woman who was on it several times. Said woman was on it for taking out somebody's garden wall. As it was simply an attendance course nothing was actioned about that womans obvious unsuitability.
 
#2
My mrs had a clean licence when she went through on green and stopped in the middle of the cross junction and got gatsoed. £60 and three points or £130?? and a 4 hour course on a saturday

She took the points because it was cheaper

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#3
Its sometimes better to do the course because points can ultimately affect your insurance premium.

I notice they have now jacked the cost of the course well above the cost of the points. (When I did one about 10 years ago it cost exactly the same as the fine - £60). That reeks of money grubbing.

The course was informative and I learned some useful things from it. However, it took a whole day for content that could have been covered in 2 hours. When I spoke to the instructor afterwards, he said the course was a 'one size fits all' one designed around the needs of the terminally thick.

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#4
The course my missus was on was 9-4. I told her to make sure they didn't try to thin them all out early so she got her bloody money's worth! I have often commented on Plymothian drivers being the biggest danger on Guzz's roads and from what my wife tells me - the attendees on her course backed this up. A sort of "if I'm doing the speed limit then anything goes" mentality.

This clearly seems to me to be another cash-generation scheme thinly disguised as educational punishment. I would have actually felt a lot more comfortable if it was not purely an attendance course but observations made by the instructors of driving standards were actioned in some way.
 
#5
The course my missus was on was 9-4. I told her to make sure they didn't try to thin them all out early so she got her bloody money's worth! I have often commented on Plymothian drivers being the biggest danger on Guzz's roads and from what my wife tells me - the attendees on her course backed this up. A sort of "if I'm doing the speed limit then anything goes" mentality.

This clearly seems to me to be another cash-generation scheme thinly disguised as educational punishment. I would have actually felt a lot more comfortable if it was not purely an attendance course but observations made by the instructors of driving standards were actioned in some way.
Not far wrong regarding Plymouth drivers. Some tosser in a Nissan Micra smashed into the rear of my girlfriends BMW few years back. She had slowed to get past a car half off the road (really icy conditions) and Nissan ****** came belting down the road and into the back of her.

Surprised the Micra driver walked away in one piece as the BMW was both bulkier and the tow bar totalled the Micra. Utter bbellend. Girlfriend is still suffering the after effects of the whiplash.
 
#7
Anybody any idea what would have happened had we opted for magistrates court? What evidence would they have to produce a verdict? Brief statements were taken from all involved and all were cautioned at the scene. There was no CCTV coverage. Could a verdict be reached based on the formulaic - "you should have left enough stopping distance"? I don't think any serious crash investigation was carried out.
 
#8
Wonder if all the drivers involved in the incident received the same offer. Like a blanket method of punishment.


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#9
My missus was involved in a 4-car smash last month. Our car was written off. The front car slammed on her brakes for whatever reason and the pile-up occurred. Our car was the last car. I understand about leaving enough space etc etc and I only know what happened from what my wife said.
We received a letter stating something along the lines of "I have found there is reason to believe you were driving without due care & attention..." Long story short - pay £155 to attend the course (which she did on Saturday) or attend magistrate's court with the possibility of accruing 3 points.

Has anybody ever tested this and opted for court? It seems to me like a form of legalised scam. No evidence was offered to ius, or even reasons for their findings. It seems to me like an opportunistic money making scheme that plays on the fact most people will just "cough up" to save any hassle.

My wife said, that on the course, there were people who demonstrably should never be allowed within the same postcode of a motor vehicle. One of the "instructers" having to grap control off some old woman who was on it several times. Said woman was on it for taking out somebody's garden wall. As it was simply an attendance course nothing was actioned about that womans obvious unsuitability.

Twelve months ago my FiL was involved in an accident at a town centre traffic island. Car in front moved off. Then when he set off as the road to his right was clear she stopped dead for no reason allowing him to hit.

A 3 or 4mph shunt ended up with two fire engines, a paramedic, ambulance & police car in attendance. The woman in front being cut from her vehicle and rushed to hospital where she stayed overnight.

At the scene there were 2 witnesses on my FiL's behalf that stated they'd seen her driving erratically earlier and that he had not been negligent. Paramedic said in his view she was not hurt at all. She subsequently got the write off value of her car + almost £6,000 in comp and lost earnings etc.

We spent ages helping him with his accident report, adding photos, diagrams and asking witnesses to send statements. It was a waste of time. FiL got the threatening letter off West Mercia Police telling him to either attend the course or risk up to £900 fine and a ban. Never having had any dealings with the Police he was absolutely terrified and took the course. It's a scam and a lazy piss poor attitude towards policing that rewards liars and thieves.

He was that annoyed that the course went in one ear and out the other. I had to calm him down on the way in and tell him not to mouth off but adopt a shit eating grin and bear it. Disgraceful that he should have to do that in what shoudl be a fair country. He now distrusts the Police completely.
 
#11
Its sometimes better to do the course because points can ultimately affect your insurance premium........................Wordsmith

A distant memory, but I recall reading somewhere, possibly on this site, that attending the course could be used against you when calculating insurance premiums?
 
#12
Anybody any idea what would have happened had we opted for magistrates court? What evidence would they have to produce a verdict? Brief statements were taken from all involved and all were cautioned at the scene. There was no CCTV coverage. Could a verdict be reached based on the formulaic - "you should have left enough stopping distance"? I don't think any serious crash investigation was carried out.
Read the highway ******* code!

Your missus is Guilty...3 points!

Now stop ******* whinging!
 
#13
Wonder if all the drivers involved in the incident received the same offer. Like a blanket method of punishment.


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I don't know. The letter originally gave a date in September to attend but we are away then. After phoning the number she was offered a place on one on Saturday just gone as there was a spare.

Just to add - to explain the mentality of the woman who was the front car, who apparently did an emergency stop for no reason - she was OK until the police turned up then started throwing hysterics and claiming she had hurt her back etc. My missus was ambulanced off as she was 18 weeks pregnant at the time. The police phoned a few days later to ask if she was OK etc and they told us there were no other injuries to any other drivers. The other drivers at the scene, my missus said, were blokes and shrugged their shoulders with a "shit happens" attitude and they were more concerned about my missus. The other woman involved was put in a separate ambulance until she calmed down.
 
#14
Read the highway ******* code!

Your missus is Guilty...3 points!

Now stop ******* whinging!
I would have posted in the naafi if I wanted that input. I am merely questioning the legalities of declaring presumed guilt and offering what is essentially a plea-bargain off the back of what can only be anecdotal evidence.
 
#15
I don't know. The letter originally gave a date in September to attend but we are away then. After phoning the number she was offered a place on one on Saturday just gone as there was a spare.

Just to add - to explain the mentality of the woman who was the front car, who apparently did an emergency stop for no reason - she was OK until the police turned up then started throwing hysterics and claiming she had hurt her back etc. My missus was ambulanced off as she was 18 weeks pregnant at the time. The police phoned a few days later to ask if she was OK etc and they told us there were no other injuries to any other drivers. The other drivers at the scene, my missus said, were blokes and shrugged their shoulders with a "shit happens" attitude and they were more concerned about my missus. The other woman involved was put in a separate ambulance until she calmed down.
Perhaps see if there are any local Solicitors specialising in stuff like this and have a chat.


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#16
My wife got caught by a speed camera and took the course. She actually thought it well worth going on and it made her think about the things I worry about when I'm in the passenger seat when she's driving, so it ain't all bad.
 
#17
Read the highway ******* code!

Your missus is Guilty...3 points!

Now stop ******* whinging!
I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with a winged up traffic warden.

It does clearly state in rhe Highway Code that you should always leave adequate braking distance between you and the car in front. Even if the car in front does slam all on the legal point is that you should leave enougj space to stop.

Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way in modern driving.
Stopping distance at 70mph is about 315ft. You leave that kind of gap on a motorway and 3 or 4 twats will instantly fill it up. Add on to that peoples over confidence in the braking ability of modern cars and I doubt any driver on the roads ever leaves sufficient stopping distance.
But the old bill do have law on their side when it comes down to it.
If every driver in the country left a sufficient gap then there'd never be any rear on collisions. But it'll never happen.

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#19
I got done by an average speed camera in a 30mph zone (fair cop guv as I'd just come out of a 40mph zone and still had cruise control on).

As I had 6 points already and the course was £60 I opted for it as I seem to collect an SP30 about every 18 months, so I didn't want to have 9 points and the thought that a bit of carelessness could take me to 12.

The course was in the evening 6pm until 9pm and actually was quite instructive. It was all classroom based - no actual driving involved. It did teach me a few things, probably more about paying attention to the speed limit, reading the road, and watching like a hawk what all the other ejits on te road are up to.

One discussion advised that when at lights two abreast, leave your ego at home at let the other driver get away first, that way if someone has run a red light coming across you, he'll cop it first. And within two years it happened at a notorious junction in Liverpool, I let the twat next to me run it at amber and lo and behold he got sideswiped by a transit running a red.

I'd say I was a better driver now, still get to my destination about as quickly. I enjoy driving more as paying attention to my driving actually improves the journey rather than just switching to autopilot and cranking up the radio.

Bottom line, I've not been nabbed since and have now cleared all the points off my license (first time it's been clean in 30 years)

Therefore if I'm a safer driver as a result - all the fines in the past didn't modify my behaviour one jot - then I'd recommend anyone who has the option to take the course.

It was mentioned on the course, although I've not checked it out, that RoSPA do free advanced driving assessments aimed at newly passed youngsters, but open to all ages. My view is anything that improves your skills or reduces that chance of you being nabbed can only be a good thing. Has anyone actually done one of these ?
 
#20
It does clearly state in rhe Highway Code that you should always leave adequate braking distance between you and the car in front. Even if the car in front does slam all on the legal point is that you should leave enougj space to stop.
If you're[1] not fixating on the back of the car immediately in front of you, it's likely you'll see the cars in front of that one braking, and prepare yourself. It's simple observation, not a super power.

So yes - DCA sounds a reasonable description of how to happily plough into the back of another car because you think guiding two tons of metal around at lethal speeds isn't something that deserves your full attention.

[1] Not you, but the generic collective "you", particularly the OP's myopic old trout.
 

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