ATOS are sponsoring the Paralympics?

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Zarathustra

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#2
Or McDonalds sponsoring the Olympics and Paralympics?

Is this the same Atos that people were crying about because they were assessing (ex)servicmen and women? Funny how that thread went rather quiet when several posters came on and shared their good experiences with Atos.
 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
Don't see an issue. ATOS didn't dream up the need to evaluate people for eligibility for incapacity benefit and I doubt they developed the criteria (which have to been Government agreed).

ATOS have been behind the Olympics for years and have, as far as I can see, done a great job which I believe is free. I visited their LOCOG setup in Canary Wharf just before they went live, very impressive, as systems integrators go they have to be amongst the best.
 
#4
Who wants a punch?

I haven't dealt with them yet.

Give me a ******* chance FFS.
 
#5
Any truth in the rumour G4S are doing the secutity?

Recruiting /publicity motto being
"They are missing limbs. We are missing complete bodies."
 
#6
Any truth in the rumour G4S are doing the secutity?

Recruiting /publicity motto being
"They are missing limbs. We are missing complete bodies."
Shut up.
 
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EScotia

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#7
Or McDonalds sponsoring the Olympics and Paralympics?

Is this the same Atos that people were crying about because they were assessing (ex)servicmen and women? Funny how that thread went rather quiet when several posters came on and shared their good experiences with Atos.
Slagging off other peoople on arrse gets you banned if you're other than a MOD, or ROPs, O2 Tags, but if you're a MOD it's OK? Follow the link and find some of the horror stories about Atos and look further than your half full glass:

DWP Examination Forum | Free speech for the disabled
 
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Zarathustra

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#8
Slagging off other peoople on arrse gets you banned if you're other than a MOD, or ROPs, O2 Tags, but if you're a MOD it's OK? Follow the link and find some of the horror stories about Atos and look further than your half full glass:

DWP Examination Forum | Free speech for the disabled
Who exactly do you think I slagged off?

Here is a selection of quotes from people on this site who have dealings with Atos, you'll notice you're among those I've quoted.

Home visit by Atos Dr done today. Initially very frustrating as he couldn't seem to grasp I'd injured myself several times in certain areas but after calming down we both got past that. Very good at the medical probing & moving business ensuring he didn't aggravate anything or cause too much pain. I'm not too sure how much he'd read up on my injuries before the visit though, if I'm honest I think he must have just given it a cursory glance. He also seemed surprised when I told him he'd got my length of service wrong by several years as he had me down as 1996-2005 whereas I served from 1975 until Feb this year!

On leaving he made sure to tell me that he was not the decision maker & that would be someone at Norcross. He did suggest I asked my GP for a OT to visit to suggest aids (not the HIV type) around the house.

Overall, didn't seem too difficult an assessment, loads of questions etc. but I'll wait now for a decision by Norcross to see how they interpret the assessment.

Had mine this morning, very nice female doctor, smelled great! Asked lots of questions with a fairly comprehensive examination, not like the horror shows I've read about! She told meat the end the report is handed to decision makers? She spoke better English than what I do,despite not being native to these shores. Overall very happy with Atos thus far.

Had mine yesterday, pretty much as above. The hassle I presume comes once the paperwork is handed to the non-medical bean counter, I mean decision maker!! :)

I know this is an emotive issue for the people this concerns but get a grip.
 
#9
Proper sobbing like a bitch now.
 
#10
Oh well then, three people had a good outcome, ATOS must be alright then....

....unless you're like the bloke diagnosed with chronic heart failure and assessed by them as fit to return to work..... Bit of a bugger he died 39 days later.
 
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Zarathustra

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Oh well then, three people had a good outcome, ATOS must be alright then....

....unless you're like the bloke diagnosed with chronic heart failure and assessed by them as fit to return to work..... Bit of a bugger he died 39 days later.
That's not what I said though was it? On the thread in question people were getting all upset, then some people got seen by Atos and didn't get shafted and the upset people decided they didn't want to contribute to the thread anymore. I know a lot of people who have been discharged on medical grounds over the last five years and not one of them has been complaining about Atos.

I made no mention to civvies getting assessed by Atos and I made no comment on whether I felt they were doing a good or bad job.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#13
I've not read your links but site members hate scroungers, the govt has employed a company to rid us of these people, shouldn't we be pleased?
We've had countless threads about the undeserving so isn't this positive?
To get less benefits assessments clearly needed to be tougher, seems they're now tougher, you want them easier?
 
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Zarathustra

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Unless you can prove those people died because they were told to go back to work the numbers don't mean much other than to get people worked up. The article doesn't even say if the deaths were related to their illness or injury or not.

As for the assessment, if it's computer based do you think Atos just decided the criteria of who was fit to work themselves or do you think they might have been given the criteria by the DWP?

Assigning the right people to carry out the right assessments would be obvious to most people and obviously Atos has dropped the ball there. The same goes with any medical incompetence that may have occurred, Atos (or more likely their recruitment company) should have made sure the people they were hiring we're competent and up to the job.

However, none of this makes me think that Atos is the work of the work of the Devil and I don't see any problem with them sponsoring the games which, as pointed out earlier, they have done for a long time.
 
#15
I've not read your links but site members hate scroungers, the govt has employed a company to rid us of these people, shouldn't we be pleased?
We've had countless threads about the undeserving so isn't this positive?
To get less benefits assessments clearly needed to be tougher, seems they're now tougher, you want them easier?

As my rather old and bold GP remarked when asked for his opinion of ATOS...

'Well they got the TOS bit right'
 
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Zarathustra

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I'm pleased more people are being moved towards work if they are able. If they do get work, that's a different matter. At least some action appears to be happening.
No, you don't understand it's unfair to expect people who are capable of work to do some.

I think a lot of people have a monk on about ATOS simply because ATOS are there to try and get people off of their benefits or reduce their benefits. I'm not doubting ATOS has it's problems but I'd not be surprised if there's a large number of people out there complaining just because they're afraid ATOS will take their benefits away, even if it's the DWP who work out who is eligible for benefits at whatever level.
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
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No, you don't understand it's unfair to expect people who are capable of work to do some.

I think a lot of people have a monk on about ATOS simply because ATOS are there to try and get people off of their benefits or reduce their benefits. I'm not doubting ATOS has it's problems but I'd not be surprised if there's a large number of people out there complaining just because they're afraid ATOS will take their benefits away, even if it's the DWP who work out who is eligible for benefits at whatever level.
The Tories played shuffle the figures last time, then Labour shuffled them, now it's happening again.
I'm not sure any of them are genuine but there is plenty of work.
 
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Tremaine

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This was posted up yesterday Mark Steel: They can't be disabled . While different opinions and rows bounce around there is an argument about Atos, and there are moves to challenge both them and the WCA process. If some accusations about Atos are proved, there are problems . I agree as a long term WP that the UK veterans Agency, in general, does a great job. It doesn't stop me studying and when I'm really firing on all cylinders, I can- and do work in my business. Laziness is no excuse and nothing should get in the way. For the likes of us the WP claims process can sometimes be comparatively painless, even with inevitable delays and problems probably unavoidable. There've been no intermittent recalls for assessments either, until the situation ever improves. Further, in cases they believe genuine, VA case workers and their Welfare Service are usually great advocates.

From the stuff I've read, there are serious problems with Atos and whole assessment process, "40 Doctors and Nurses have been reported for investigation" in the papers yesterday. Another link Hundreds protest against Paralympics sponsor Atos as anger about its role in slashing benefits bill intensifies - Home News - UK - The Independent

Doubtless there is plenty of work (is there?) and everyone can do something. But if people are suffering under muddled DWP contracts and National Audit Office pressures on Atos while the government slashes disability budgets by 20%, all of which is hammering genuine claimants who can't stick up for themselves, should this really be defended or ignored.
 
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Zarathustra

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This was posted up yesterday Mark Steel: They can't be disabled . While different opinions and rows bounce around there is an argument about Atos, and there are moves to challenge both them and the WCA process. If some accusations about Atos are proved, there are problems . I agree as a long term WP that the UK veterans Agency, in general, does a great job. It doesn't stop me studying and when I'm really firing on all cylinders, I can- and do work in my business. Laziness is no excuse and nothing should get in the way. For the likes of us the WP claims process can sometimes be comparatively painless, even with inevitable delays and problems probably unavoidable. There've been no intermittent recalls for assessments either, until the situation ever improves. Further, in cases they believe genuine, VA case workers and their Welfare Service are usually great advocates.

From the stuff I've read, there are serious problems with Atos and whole assessment process, "40 Doctors and Nurses have been reported for investigation" in the papers yesterday. Another link Hundreds protest against Paralympics sponsor Atos as anger about its role in slashing benefits bill intensifies - Home News - UK - The Independent

Doubtless there is plenty of work (is there?) and everyone can do something. But if people are suffering under muddled DWP contracts and National Audit Office pressures on Atos while the government slashes disability budgets by 20%, all of which is hammering genuine claimants who can't stick up for themselves, should this really be defended or ignored.
I don't think anyone is defending or ignoring it. 40 Drs and nurses have been reported for investigation? I might care a bit more about that statistic when the headline is 40 Drs and nurses have been struck off due to malpractice.

Jarrod has a point when he says members of this site hate scroungers, why does this attitude change when the DWP actually try to do something about it?
 
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