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Atlantic Future Forum - and NATO/Euro Atlantic defence

Yokel

LE
Are there any transcripts of the speeches? Or any proper coverage beyond Twitter updates?

I thought the discussions were meant to go far beyond that. However, to take your comments and expand on them, Canada is a key contributor to NATO in the Atlantic theatre, which in many ways is NATO's centre of gravity.

Canada also has real scientific and industrial capabilities.
 
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Yokel

LE
I posted this on the possibility of a war with China thread . UK US cooperation


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Closer to home we have the Atlantic to worry about - and increased Russian maritime (including submarine) activity, and Chinese warships visit the Atlantic. Iran continues to threaten oil shipping.

Moscow, Beijing, and Tehran are allies - at least for the purposes of opposing the rules based international system.

See Fire and Ice: A New Maritime Strategy for NATO's Northern Flank
 

Yokel

LE
The Twitter account for the Atlantic Future Forum is still active. An update was posted just today. Other updates are about news of business deals and things like cooperation with things like cyber security.


Are we moving towards a trade deal with the United States? It would have benefits on both sides of the Atlantic.
 
Is it time to build a new partnership of nations committed to playing by the rules?
Yes, but how would it deal with the Americans (or the British)?
 

Yokel

LE
What does the change of American President mean for the transatlantic partnership and NATO? Am I right in thinking that it means changes in diplomatic personnel as Ambassadors are appointed by the President personally?

Ambassador Johnson was fully up to speed with Britain's commitment to NATO and in the Gulf.
 
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Yokel

LE
Despite all the talk of American interest shifting to the Pacific, the US is still committed to Atlantic security. This year there has been an exercise in which three ships carrying enough equipment for an armoured division were escorted over the ocean by a carrier strike group. This was the first duck exercise since 1986.

More recently a major ASW exercise was conducted by US forces in the Atlantic.


 
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Yokel

LE
The planned NATO Defender 2020 was postponed due to COVID-19 and will take place in 2021. It will involve things such a SLOC defence, logistics protected by naval forces including carriers, and amphibious landings.

The US Navy has also reestablished the Atlantic Fleet. The commitment to the European/Atlantic theatre remains.
 

Yokel

LE
Remember the Euro Atlantic region is where we live and subject to geopolitical tensions with Vlad and even Xi on our doorstep, and the Atlantic gives us access to the Northern coast of Europe, Eastern coast of the Americas and beyond the Panama Cana; or Cape Horn, and the East coast of Africa and through the strait of Gibraltar or around the Cape of Good Hope..

Global Britain starts with Atlantic Britain, which starts with Maritime Britain.
 

Yokel

LE
The US Navy has established a 'tech bridge' in London.

London Tech Bridge

Located in one of the world's top ranked "Tech Hubs" and in a city consistently recognized for global business, the London Tech Bridge is at the forefront of innovation. The London Tech Bridge builds upon the historic technology and innovation relationship between the U.S. and the U.K. The Tech Bridge, sponsored by the Office of Naval Research Global, with headquarters in London since 1946, is able to use their network as a foundation for connecting diverse teams across the full spectrum of organization types.

The London Tech Bridge is truly a two-way bridge that works to move technology and make connections both to and from the U.S. and U.K. Set in a booming technology ecosystem that spans academia, industry and government, the London Tech Bridge is poised to connect and enable technology leaders across a range of technical focus areas. Current focus areas are:

  • Artificial Intelligence
  • Autonomy and Unmanned Systems
  • Biotechnology
  • Space
  • Lasers and Directed Energy
 

Yokel

LE
On the topic of the commitment to Atlantic security, I must have missed this back in December!

SECNAC Announces the Return of the US Atlantic Fleet, focus will be on Russian threat

The move to bring back Atlantic Fleet comes after a 2018 decision to reestablish U.S. 2nd Fleet in Norfolk as a means of focusing more on anti-submarine warfare in the Atlantic and with European allies on the other side of the ocean.

The North Atlantic Sea Lines of Communication are a centre of gravity for NATO. They are also vital for peacetime trade, and a defence priority. Can someone please remind @PhotEx that the UK has committed the carrier capability to NATO Atlantic/GIUK gap operations.
 
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Yokel

LE
In the words of the Secretary General of NATO:

We also need to use NATO even more as a platform for political consultations because this is the only place where North America and Europe meet every day to discuss, decide and act on our shared security. When we have differences, we must bring them to the NATO table and discuss them openly so that we can work out common approaches.
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One thing is certain: We can only be strong if North America and Europe stand united. So I look forward to working very closely with U.S. President-elect Joe Biden and his administration to further strengthen our trans-Atlantic alliance and keep our nations safe in this unpredictable world.
 
In the words of the Secretary General of NATO:

We also need to use NATO even more as a platform for political consultations because this is the only place where North America and Europe meet every day to discuss, decide and act on our shared security. When we have differences, we must bring them to the NATO table and discuss them openly so that we can work out common approaches.
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One thing is certain: We can only be strong if North America and Europe stand united. So I look forward to working very closely with U.S. President-elect Joe Biden and his administration to further strengthen our trans-Atlantic alliance and keep our nations safe in this unpredictable world.
Has this got anything to do with Pompeo being effectively persona non grata when he tried to visit Europe recently? The US have apparently just made a number of unilateral diplomatic moves which have been termed a "scorched earth policy" towards the incoming government in the US, and as a result have reportedly mightily pissed off everyone in Europe.
 

PhotEx

On ROPS
On ROPs
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The North Atlantic Sea Lines of Communication are a centre of gravity for NATO. They are also vital for peacetime trade, and a defence priority. Can someone please remind @PhotEx that the UK has committed the carrier capability to NATO Atlantic/GIUK gap operations.

really? Have you told 1SL he’s got it all wrong?
Were not going to be using QEZ as a 75,000 tonne ASW carrier in the GUIK, no matter how much you stamp your foot. Her primary role will be power projection and securing the UKs main SLOC and energy sources east of Suez.

‘I’m pleased to announce that NATO will soon be able to call on the UK’s Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers and F-35 fighter jets to help tackle threats around the world.’
 

Yokel

LE
QEZ? 75 000 tonnes?

Did you miss the reestablishment of the US Atlantic Fleet, setting up JFC Norfolk, and increased NATO activity in the Atlantic - such as this year's Exercise Steadfast Defender 21?

Have you told 1SL that he was wrong to list 'North Atlantic' as one of the Royal Navy's five operational areas?

Peacetime priorities would change in the event of a major crisis in the NATO theatre. It will be rare for there not to be one of the QEC within thirty days sailing time of the Atlantic.... 30/30/30/30 is NATO policy.
 

Yokel

LE

Maritime+Traffic.jpg


In peacetime.... It does look like more maritime traffic come to/from the US East Coast than the West - probably because the Atlantic is part of the route to/from the Middle East. Britain and other European nations depend on the safety of the Eastern Atlantic.

Things would change in a NATO/Moscow crisis:

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Yarra

War Hero

Maritime+Traffic.jpg


In peacetime.... It does look like more maritime traffic come to/from the US East Coast than the West - probably because the Atlantic is part of the route to/from the Middle East. Britain and other European nations depend on the safety of the Eastern Atlantic.

Things would change in a NATO/Moscow crisis:

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Great bit of analysis there; BUT, I would respectfully argue (using your excellent Global Maritime Traffic Flow map) that taken together & looking at the potential threats and contemporary mil capability, that our COG is in the Indian Ocean and surrounding SLOC, rather than the Eastern Atlantic. Albeit, the GIUK Gap remains vital ground.
 

Yokel

LE
Great bit of analysis there; BUT, I would respectfully argue (using your excellent Global Maritime Traffic Flow map) that taken together & looking at the potential threats and contemporary mil capability, that our COG is in the Indian Ocean and surrounding SLOC, rather than the Eastern Atlantic. Albeit, the GIUK Gap remains vital ground.

That is a peacetime map - I am not sure from what year. However something like an oil tanker heading to the UK from the Arabian peninsula is in the NATO theatre after she passes through the Suez canal, and has to pass through the Mediterranean and the Eastern Atlantic. Russia, China, and Iran are allies and hold joint naval exercises.

A commitment to the NATO and the Atlantic and a continued commitment to the Middle East are not mutually exclusive.

In the event of a crisis in Europe then the Atlantic is the key area for NATO reinforcement and resupply.

I think we are in agreement.
 

Yarra

War Hero
That is a peacetime map - I am not sure from what year. However something like an oil tanker heading to the UK from the Arabian peninsula is in the NATO theatre after she passes through the Suez canal, and has to pass through the Mediterranean and the Eastern Atlantic. Russia, China, and Iran are allies and hold joint naval exercises.

A commitment to the NATO and the Atlantic and a continued commitment to the Middle East are not mutually exclusive.

In the event of a crisis in Europe then the Atlantic is the key area for NATO reinforcement and resupply.

I think we are in agreement.
I think we are.. :)
 

Yokel

LE
I just wanted to make the point that the increased commitment to NATO and ongoing Middle East commitments are related. During World War Two many merchant vessels came all the way from distant places in Africa or Asia only to get sunk by U boats/aircraft in the Eastern Atlantic or the South West approaches.

The other point is that NATO, and not the EU, has been the key to peace in Europe.
 
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