Atlantic Future Forum - and NATO/Euro Atlantic defence

‘Scott sailed with 1,800 sausages, 3,000 eggs, 6,000 rashers of bacon, 500 litres of washing up liquid and 1,440 toilet rolls.’
gripping stuff indeed!
That is one sausage for each crew member for 23 days
 

Yokel

LE
Maybe you missed this bit:

HMS Scott’s Commanding Officer Commander Tom Harrison said: “Scott has been through a most challenging period in her history. It is down to the hard work and determination of my crew that we are now ready to return to our vitally important role. We will conduct survey operations in the North Atlantic, collecting data with our hi-tech, cutting edge survey systems which will then go toward producing charts for submarine and surface navigation.
 
Or.... America needs NATO allies that will remain dedicated in maintaining the U.S as Number One.

I'm all for a strong NATO and strong support for the U.S but if the last 4 years has taught Europe (and Canada) anything is that the return support from Americas politicians will not always be there.
On another thread I said that the US want to extend NATO responsibilities to confronting China. This was not well received by other posters who don't see that as NATO's job. This article beats around the bush a bit, but in the end it says more or less the same.

I can see a major falling out between Europe and the US over this issue, although I don't see that happening while Biden is in charge.

When Trudeau was asked by the press about US plans to use NATO against China versus the lack of enthusiasm for this in Europe his response was fairly non-committal, so it sounds like there wasn't any real agreement at the recent summit. Canada's main interest in NATO is using it as a means of keeping military relationships with the US at arm's length. As such, the current arrangement suits us provided the US remains an active part of NATO. If the US commits only a minor force to NATO and tells them that the main job of holding back Russia falls on Germany and friends, that would probably suit Canada just fine so long as it didn't produce a NATO split.
 

Yokel

LE
@bob231 is this thread of any interest to you? NATO and the Euro Atlantic theatre - including ASW, carrier aviation, and amphibious capabilities...
 

Yokel

LE
The Commander of the UK Carrier Strike Group seems to think that the Mediterranean is an important area for NATO and the UK.



A certain poster says no!
 
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The Commander the the UK Carrier Strike Group seems to think that the Mediterranean is an important area for NATO and the UK.



A certain poster says no!


Are you still worried about the fearsome Black Sea Fleet?
 

Yokel

LE
Are you still worried about the fearsome Black Sea Fleet?

Do you still consider that NATO has no need to worry about threats in the North Atlantic or Mediterranean, despite Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and other forces operating there? Do shipping heading to/from the Middle East or the Far East transit the Mediterranean?
 
Do you still consider that NATO has no need to worry about threats in the North Atlantic or Mediterranean, despite Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and other forces operating there? Do shipping heading to/from the Middle East or the Far East transit the Mediterranean?

the Russians couldn’t even stop a lone Destroyer sailing in plain sight past their main base in the Black Sea.
You fret too much over the Russians and their tiny, ancient, rust bucket navy.
anything Russian in the Med could be sunk in a heartbeat any time NATO so chose. We overmatch them by >100-1 in everything.
 
Do you have nightmares about finding someone has taken your sausage? Is this a subconscious fear of phallic trauma?
I don't think you, I, or anyone, should really contemplate delving into that particular poster's confused subconscious :( !!
 
On another thread I said that the US want to extend NATO responsibilities to confronting China. This was not well received by other posters who don't see that as NATO's job . . .
Good . . . :) !!
. . . . When Trudeau was asked by the press about US plans to use NATO against China versus the lack of enthusiasm for this in Europe his response was fairly non-committal, so it sounds like there wasn't any real agreement at the recent summit. Canada's main interest in NATO is using it as a means of keeping military relationships with the US at arm's length. As such, the current arrangement suits us provided the US remains an active part of NATO. If the US commits only a minor force to NATO and tells them that the main job of holding back Russia falls on Germany and friends, that would probably suit Canada just fine so long as it didn't produce a NATO split.
It is reassuring that Trudeau understands the original and continuing raison d'etre of NATO, and does not wish to see it diverted or diluted . . . as you mentioned, a sentiment shared with a number of members on ARRSE.

However, do you know if Trudeau has been questioned about a separate, distinct, Pacific Treaty Organisation ?!

Canada's navigable Pacific coastline must be at least as long as it's Atlantic coastline to the east.

And, at least four of the "Five Eyes" nations of the collaborative security/military group, also have a Pacific coastline.
 
Good . . . :) !!

It is reassuring that Trudeau understands the original and continuing raison d'etre of NATO, and does not wish to see it diverted or diluted . . . as you mentioned, a sentiment shared with a number of members on ARRSE.

However, do you know if Trudeau has been questioned about a separate, distinct, Pacific Treaty Organisation ?!

Canada's navigable Pacific coastline must be at least as long as it's Atlantic coastline to the east.

And, at least four of the "Five Eyes" nations of the collaborative security/military group, also have a Pacific coastline.
There is no serious discussion in Canada about joining any sort of Pacific equivalent to NATO. It's not on the radar.

We do have a naval presence on the west coast, with a base an Esquimalt, adjacent to BC's capital city of Victoria.

We do take part in regular naval exercises in the Pacific with various other countries, but these are part of an informal invitation process rather than any sort of organised alliance.

It's not clear what a "PTO" would consist of or why we would want to get involved. Should CANZUK come into existence it could conceivably include a mutual defence component, but that would be limited in scope and not be a PTO.
 

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