AndyPipkin said:Richard Dawkins' site now features a military forum:
OldRedCap said:One needs to remember that the whole thing about religion in America is vastly different to that which pertains in UK. NOT A CRITICISM or trying to knock. We are less open about such matters and, possibly, less religious anyway. Travel anywhere near a church in USA on a Sunday and will be likely to get caught in a traffic jam.
Carry_On_Tiffing said:Having just read Trip_Wires comments about what makes ppl become atheists, including questions about citizenship, marital status and education my belief is again confirmed? As a practicing Atheist i can asure TW becoming an Atheist is a gradual process, usually assisted by having to read comments such as his. Personally i dont think that becoming any closer to ones maker should make one feel more 'religious', usually the opposite. Here endeth the sermon.
Carry_On_Tiffing said:Having served in Northern Ireland and the Balkans i have found religion to be a catalyst for atrocities. Histroically speaking, religion has been used as a tool to manipulate the masses/soldiers/warriors and sow the seeds of destruction we are reeping now in various parts of the world.
AndyPipkin said:TW, a very common religion-apologist retort. None of the people you mention committed atrocities because they were atheists, they committed them for ideological reasons unrelated to their belief in the Great Sky Pixie or otherwise. Whereas Al Queda, Torquemada, the Crusaders, the Conquiscadores, etc, all committed their atrocities for very much religious reasons.
I suggest you have a read of The God Delusion before continuing this debate - most of the arguments you're likely to employ are dealt with (in a generally humiliating manner) in it.
I just hope you were praying to the right 'God' in Korea - Baal might have been very upset if you got it wrong!
Carry_On_Tiffing said:Isnt quoting Stalin in an Atheist thread a bit odd? Stalin had to carry out the equivalent of the UK industrial revolution in a few decades. Changing a feudal society to an industrial state resulted in many deaths as he could not import slaves like your fair country, so he used the locals.
Pillager said:In which case what of those that prayed and didnt come back?
Where was god for them?
and what of the guys that prayed to Baal and survived, Or is this a pluralist god?
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