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At least SOMEONEs noticed....

#3
"The MoD has been relying for too long on the goodwill and courageous spirit of our servicemen and women to compensate for the increasing shortages of personnel in all three services," he said.

"The staffing situation has reached the point where there are simply not enough service people to meet levels of military activity planned some years ago - let alone the heightened demands now being placed on them by commitments such as the Iraq and Afghanistan operations."

Pretty sure I've seen that mentioned a few times on these hallowed pages.
 
#4
What was the quote, take the 5000 (ish, can't rightly remember) who are currently deployed on ops and add few more, that's how many men the Army is short of. But according to the MOD we're stretched, but not overstretched!
 
#5
Undermanned, underpaid, under-resourced and misunderstood

C'mon Gordon, impose some 'change on the military'...oops!, it was him that agreed the cuts in the first place!!

We're doomed!
 
#6
proof of the pudding.....


Hansard - from Jan 2007:


Army Strength

Lynda Waltho: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how the size of the Army has changed since 1982. [116793]

Des Browne: The table shows the Army total strength for each year at 1 April since 1982:

Total strength

1982 163,150
1983 159,070
1984 161,540
1985 162,400
1986 161,400
1987 159,690
1988 158,110
1989 155,570
1990 152,810
1991 147,640
1992 145,360
1993 134,580
1994 123,030
1995 111,690
1996 108,840
1997 108,810
1998 109,830
1999 109,720
2000 110,050
2001 109,530
2002 110,050
2003 112,130
2004 112,750
2005 109,290
2006 107,730

Notes: 1. Due to the rounding methods used, totals may not always equal the sum of the parts. When rounding to the nearest 10, numbers ending in the nearest multiple of 5 have been rounded to 20 to prevent systematic bias. 2. The figures in the table are the latest published version available. Over the period 1982-2006 it is possible that these figures have subsequently been revised and also that definitions of strength have changed slightly. UK regular forces includes nursing services and excludes full-time reserve service personnel, Gurkhas, the Home Service battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment and mobilised reservists [Ed..so, less than this then?]
 
#8
1982 - operational commitment 1 Bde (Army) plus support to 3 Cdo Bde and Op Banner. done with 163000 to pick from.

2007 - does it ever stop? Done with 107,000 to call from. Oh and ongoing, not in out and wipe it on the curtains type operations either. so, were we really enjoying 50000 units of slack and not providing VFM then? I don't exactly remember it being like that, does anyone else? (Even if you take into account the Wednesday afternoon sports, KAPE tours and AT) :twisted:
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
Cuddles said:
1982 - operational commitment 1 Bde (Army) plus support to 3 Cdo Bde and Op Banner. done with 163000 to pick from.

2007 - does it ever stop? Done with 107,000 to call from. Oh and ongoing, not in out and wipe it on the curtains type operations either. so, were we really enjoying 50000 units of slack and not providing VFM then? I don't exactly remember it being like that, does anyone else? (Even if you take into account the Wednesday afternoon sports, KAPE tours and AT) :twisted:
Mate, I think you're forgetting the huge numbers tied up in our BAOR commitment, not to mention other odds and sods like the Hong Kong garrison.
 
#10
The huge numbers tied up in our BAOR commitment were of course used to provide troops for Op Banner and indeed for all kinds of other odds and sods. We were still meeting those commitments (as BAOR or BFG) throughout Grapple and resolute and of course during Granby!
 
#11
I think Joe Public has something to say on the matter: 1072 comments made so far!

They have only published 394 - probably overwhelmed...i hope the MoD take note.
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
Cuddles said:
The huge numbers tied up in our BAOR commitment were of course used to provide troops for Op Banner ...
?!

The huge numbers tied up as BAOR fulfilled our obligations to NATO's European defence. Op Banner had its own two dedicated Bdes (8 Bde in Balllkelly & 39 Bde in Belfast).
 
#13
RP578 said:
Cuddles said:
The huge numbers tied up in our BAOR commitment were of course used to provide troops for Op Banner ...
?!

The huge numbers tied up as BAOR fulfilled our obligations to NATO's European defence. Op Banner had its own two dedicated Bdes (8 Bde in Balllkelly & 39 Bde in Belfast).
Both these Bde’s and 3Bde had resident Bn’s how ever the Rouliment Bn’s came from BAOR and the main land.
 
#15
its been on the news all day, shame they didnt mention the TA supporting the regs, im getting a bit pissed of with people saying why do TA isnt it just like cadets for adults cnuts!!
 
#16
MrTracey said:
proof of the pudding.....


Hansard - from Jan 2007:


Army Strength

Lynda Waltho: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how the size of the Army has changed since 1982. [116793]

Des Browne: The table shows the Army total strength for each year at 1 April since 1982:

Total strength

1982 163,150
1983 159,070
1984 161,540
1985 162,400
1986 161,400
1987 159,690
1988 158,110
1989 155,570
1990 152,810
1991 147,640
1992 145,360
1993 134,580
1994 123,030
1995 111,690
1996 108,840
1997 108,810
1998 109,830
1999 109,720
2000 110,050
2001 109,530
2002 110,050
2003 112,130
2004 112,750
2005 109,290
2006 107,730

Notes: 1. Due to the rounding methods used, totals may not always equal the sum of the parts. When rounding to the nearest 10, numbers ending in the nearest multiple of 5 have been rounded to 20 to prevent systematic bias. 2. The figures in the table are the latest published version available. Over the period 1982-2006 it is possible that these figures have subsequently been revised and also that definitions of strength have changed slightly. UK regular forces includes nursing services and excludes full-time reserve service personnel, Gurkhas, the Home Service battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment and mobilised reservists [Ed..so, less than this then?]
Graphically:
 

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