Asymmetric warfare, terrorism, and Daesh.

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  1. In every sense of the word.
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  2. skid2

    skid2 LE Book Reviewer

    Their grandparents and parents arrived here, struggled and worked to provide a roof, food and education.
    They probably think running water, indoor bog and central heating is great. The kids don’t know any better. (or worse)
    A weird sort of hippiedom, having seen and felt the emptiness of 20th and 21st century life. I suppose a muzzie over here must have complex feelings about it. One one hand there’s all this shocking and availabile western decadence and then there’s ‘the rules’ which must make life difficult.

    Being sold a lifestyle where your religion makes you a valued insider must be a weight of a young persons mind as they are attempting to work things out.

    Get someone willing and able to exploit the sense of alienation and point them to somewhere where they’d be welcomed and valued, that would be a big thing, a very welcome thing.
    I could see how kids who’ve been getting a tough time at school and on the streets might go for it. Especially if all the right buttons are being pressed.
    (Haven’t read the whole thing, this has probably been done to death before)
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  3. Whether or not it has been done before, frankly you cannot repeat you (IMHO) accurate and concise conclusion cannot be restated often enough.

    Offering people something other than the now is one of the most powerful motivators; whether it is the glorious of eventual Socialism, the purity of the white race, the freedom of anarchism or the piety of the Caliphate.

    I just find it a bit depressing that we've been going around this mulberry bush since 2001 and I read an article like this

    Jihad: The Misfortune of Misinterpretation

    and think, "I wish some of my old colleagues would read this".

    Especially this bit:

    And then you get ignorant looms like Gorka coming in and giving his expert opinion, and clouding analysis. The people don't want to bother with that whole context and analysis thing, and can't we just by some kit.

    But lets not try to think our way safer.

    When I joined the met the recruiting slogan was "Looking Deeper, Listener Harder". Never mind understanding motivation and the successful strategic communication which is the wellspring of our problem, that's far to problematic. Let's buy some shiny toys and walk around wearing half the bloody 5.11 catalogue.

    لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
    ("There is no strength or patience, save in God" - the traditional cry of exasperated despair).
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  4. It could be ventured that a holistic approach to the problem of, in this case the specific threat posed by daesh, is being utilised.

    A multipronged range of attempts to address the reasons for home conversion, issues that create likely recruits, prevention of recruitment, the best methods of prevention of attacks and most effective response to attacks.

    In the meantime the fact is that it remains a subject of extreme concern and unfortunately ‘shiny toys’, though not the be-all and end-all, are part of the resolution.
  5. You need everything in the toolbox, but daesh is just a continuation of a theme.
    There are various islamo-fascist groups out there, Al Qaeda, Boko haram and so on.
    They all recruit the same types-the lost losers and wannabe warlords.

    IS had a novel schtick of actually claiming statehood, instead of taking over an existing country, but most of its franchises were existing movements who swore allegiance to it.

    If you want to dismantle IS, you will also need to dismantle its franchises.
    To do that, you need to understand the local drivers, which will be very different in say,Nigeria, as opposed to Afghanistan.
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  6. It is indeed a very broad-based problem, but as you say with a common theme.
  7. Great minds think alike, boumatee. I think the comparison with other supremacist ideologies works really well, especially the idea of racial supremacy. What IS did in territory it held was chase off or kill the middle class which made the country function. The result was that they made cool videos but more women died in childbirth, people died from preventable conditions/injuries and nobody learnt anything useful. Exactly the same thing would happen in territory held by any other supremacist where characteristic is valued more than skill.

    I find it depressing that there is still soft support for jihad amongst the Left in the UK. They continue to see Islamism and jihad through the lens of anti-imperialism rather than an extreme-right supremacist ideology. When you ask these lefties whether they'd be as happy to give KKK members the leeway that they give Islamists, they start bailing out of the discussion.

    Funnily, I read that as 'multimonged range of attempts'. There's a thing called the Contest strategy which covers the Prepare, Prevent, Pursue and Protect. Read it. Learn something.
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  8. @BarcelonaAnalPark

    Why do I suspect that this looks like your gaff?

    (Not that I can talk).

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  9. Not just racial supremacy and male supremacy.
    IS also had a crude eugenics policy very reminiscent of the 1930's.
    In 2015 it was widely reported that a fatwa had been issued to allow the murder of children with congenital disabilites and Downs Syndrome.

    Now, given that the whole "Right to life" issue is generally seen as a hallmark of the difference between Right and Left, it is odd to think that there would be any sympathy for IS in the Left for their outstanding commitment to the rights of women, the disabled and the LGBT community.
    Unless you count legalising rape and extrajudicial murder as 'commitment' to destroying their rights entirely.

    There are two factors-firstly, the Left has been thoroughly infiltrated by Muslim politicians using clan and caste based voting blocs. Unfortunately, they have brought some of their other baggage from the sub continent with them.

    More importantly, the Extreme Left haven't left the 1970's. They still think that the 'Arabs' are the oppressed nationalist Palestinians who the USSR supported in the fight against American sponsored Israel.

    They haven't realised that the residue of the PLO and other alphabet soup terror groups/freedom fighters of that time have been coopted as proxy forces for Iran or Saudi as part of their sectarian war.
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  10. Not really true, what about the Fabian Society and their fascination with Eugenics.

    The left have always had a problem with Eugenics, as much as they have with anti semitism
  11. Eugenics was popular during the 1930's especially in America.
    However, the most enthusiastic activists were obviously the Nazis, which you would think would put it beyond the pale for the Left.

    Never, however, let it be said that the Left can't rationalise themselves round in circles.
    Anti Semitism was always weird for the Left, after all Marx was himself a RSP, but the main driver was the adoption of Communism in Russia, with its obscene history of anti semitism ( you have to love a country that invented a word 'pogrom' just for the purpose). Although many Communists were Jewish, it didn't protect them from their Russian neighbours.
    Of course, once the new State of Israel (despite being set up with Russian support), declined to become Communist and preferred to align with America, the Left has another pretext to hate 'zionists', which puts them on the same songsheet as the Islamic extreme but for different reasons.
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  12. The government's line has consistently been that CT policing funding has been protected.

    Given the "spin" on the levels of armed police (which were down under Mrs May, but an "increase" to bring it back to roughly the levels of 2010 is marketed as an uplift).


    We like things that catch terrorists

    But we need to keep a watch on the Home Office....
  13. Christmas markets, and any shopping place, is an obvious target at this time of year thanks to the sheer number of people stumbling around with bags full of stuff, attention diverted and guard let down by all the shiny things. Add in the religious significance of this time of year, and you have big crowds of people bimbling around during the most significant period in the Christian religion.

    Can't think of a reason they would not think that it was the most wonderful time of the year (kaboom)