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Asymmetric warfare, terrorism, and Daesh.

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Resasi, Jul 26, 2016.

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  1. Not completely sure what controls the State exerts upon the church?

    It has attempted to do so in the problem of extremism...
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/470088/51859_Cm9148_Accessible.pdf#page=20
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/470088/51859_Cm9148_Accessible.pdf#page=20

    ...possibly little and a lot late. But then any attempts to control always condemned as Islamophobia, and racist.

    As you so rightly pointed out, because they have trashed their own countries and now bring their behaviour over here. That is a problem the West is facing in general.

    What is more specific is the threats daesh made, the plans that we know about, and the daesh returnees that have arrived due to the obliteration of daesh and their dystopian Caliphate.

    This thread is about asymmetric warfare, daesh and the terrorist threat, not a general anti Islam thread, however, they are unfortunately linked.
     
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  2. There are loads of pieces of legislation on the CofE.
    So long as the mosque is subject to EXACTLY the same controls, how can it be racist? Enforcing higher standards on the C of E must be actively discriminatory against Christians?
    It simply requires any mosque and the staff to be as regulated to the degree as we expect the Church to be.
    Including the ability to defrock and expel.
     
  3. Seems reasonable enough - although I don't doubt they would expect, by reciprocation, their seats in HoL wouldn't they?
    Presumably, all other religions would also expect representation and Parliament actually becomes further removed from being secular.

    I can imagine a massive Parliamentary readjustment coming up (beyond Brexit and any necessary restoration work being undertaken on the HoP).

    And, as yet, all I see are a load of people either ignoring the elephant in the room or trying to exploit it.
     
  4. Is not was, you heathen
     
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  5. The issue is a bit thorny, but it is the job of Parliament to get a grip on it.
    The various Lords Spiritual can budge up and make a seat for the Arch Imam next to the Chief Rabbi. (Well, we can't leave the RSPs out. That would be discriminatory...)

    Henry VIII made the State the arbiter of religion in England. It's time the State remembered that.
     
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  6. Hey look I can mash the mong buttons as well.
     
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  7. I very much doubt it but if it makes you feel better keep believing.
     
  8. Khawarij (those who stray).

    Cracking term. I cannot wait for people making Takfir on each other, it makes the GPSC in Algeria look restrained!
     
  9. There is an interesting interview with Dr. Mike Simpson, ex US Special forces, on James Delingpole's latest podcast which can be found on either Breitbart or iTunes.
     
  10. What may be working has been the immediate rounding up of all involved with terrorist events.

    The fast reactions of police and emergency services on the spot, coupled with a widespread and rapid rounding up of all connected, will have at the very least provided aspiring would be martyrs and their families some food for thought.

    They have it easy here compared with the countries they have come from, the idea that prison, deportation and loss of citizenship might be used could prove at least some deterrence, or at the very least some hesitation by some family members.

    Methods utilised by Israel would not be countenanced here, but the idea that a martyr can simply be viewed in isolation is simplistic. Any support of a terrorist outrage should involve some penalty.

    What does seem to have diminished is the large belligerent gatherings of outspoken Muslim crowds screaming out their demands or generally chanting their objections to various aspect of life in Britain that they objected to.
     
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  11. Absolutely.
    It's entryist support that brings the doer's out to commit their atrocities.
    The penalties for such support should also be balanced against what intel the accused are willing to pass on.
     
  12. @Oddbod

    Respectfully you are mixing two issues there.

    S39 Terrorism Act 2000 is the offence of fail to disclose information in relation to a terrorist investigation.

    Upon conviction this carries up to five years imprisonment in Crown Court

    (This is in addition to the offences against the course of justice, where ultimately conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, an offence at Common Law, carries up to life).

    If you are talking about post-conviction provision of information by an individual, that is different. Without wishing to go too much into it, a letter is produced which is given to the presiding judge in confidence to make the breadth and depth of the defendant's co-operation known to the judge, to be taken into consideration during sentencing.
     
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  13. Not at all.
    I didn't mention S39 & nor was I referring to it or any similar legislation.
    The second part of your post merely reiterates what I said.
    Simply put, a mixture of stick & carrot is the way to treat those on the edge of terrorism.
    Those fully involved deserve neither carrot nor stick; rather they deserve execution.
     
  14. Which is not to say the hatred isn’t still there. Just gone underground.
    Police thwart FIVE terror plots - just minutes before attack launched, Met chief says

    Although Raqqa and now Mosul have ‘fallen’, the remnants that do remain will continue to give the Iraqi forces a serious problem.

    That there were apparently ‘atrocities’ with daesh fighters being thrown off cliffs would seem to confirm that there appears to be an ironic form of ‘justice’, and, that the Iraqis and people of the region have a collective mentality and culture that is very very different to that in the West.

    Those who fled the country and have been ‘invited’ to the West in huge numbers bring with them a change that Western societies are finding difficult to comprehend, and to deal with in their soft multicultural politically and socially ‘correct’ soft swaddled and protected ‘civilised’ upbringing.

    The difference in that these and the religion they bring with them has created huge pockets of ‘safe’ ground where daesh fighters will now either have come to, or will be headed. That there were so many so called 'home grown’ jihadis already testament to those areas that have either had difficulty integrating, or been determined to remain different.

    It is already being asked by many of these what has really been accomplished by the siege of Mosul and Raqqa? Except civilian casualties. Islamist terrorists, under whatever name, will continue to regroup and probably gain sympathy under Western attack.

    Some say that to stop terrorism and end the war on terrorism, it is necessary to stop believing that terrorists can be exterminated and to start negotiating with terrorists to stop the killing of civilians. A goal so many terrorist organisations before them have clung to.

    'That only when the terrorists are brought into the political process and have a stake in creating a stable country and saving lives will terrorism finally stop.' The problem is that daesh have proved themselves so far out of the norms of what is globally felt to be normal civilised behaviour, that this, like many other conflicts against violent terrorism and dystopian groups will have to be carried out to a terminal conclusion.

    The war against many such organisation in many countries have demonstrated how long, how bitter, and how costly in time money and lives these sort of conflicts are. It is sadly the fact that daesh now seemingly defeated in their attempts to form their Caliphate, will now begin to intensify their attacks in the various counties they will flee to, and for us that is not a pleasant thing to contemplate.
     
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