Assaults on prison officers increasing

DieHard

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#1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-133240/Untouchable-prison-thugs-targeting-warders.html

It would appear that interfearance from ECHR have caused a few problems in our allready over filled and overstretchf prisons, at least the daily wail say so.
They state that prison governors have had the right to add extra days to a lags sentence withdrawn because its an abuse of human rights.
At the last prison i worked in adding extra time stopped over ten years ago and it was left to a circuit judge to do the job instead, we were told however that if a con did a serious assault we were to arrest them and get the police involved.
Prison is supposed to be the punishment, loss of liberty, so i can see why some prisoners think they are untouchable, after all the only punishment they are likely to receive is a couple of weeks down the block followed by a couple of weeks on basic ( no tv or playstation, and locked up for a bit longer).
There are many issues going on giving cons the impression that they can commit assaults on staff and get away with it, in this pc day and age the odds are in favour of the prisoner and they know it, senior managment have made it easy for them and twice as hard for the officers. Throw into the pc prison this echr ruling and things get worse.
Prison officers are just doing a job and should not have to put up with assaults by cons who think they can get away with it.
How can it be dealt with?
And as for compo for cons doing extra time, what are they going to give charles bronson when he finaly gets out?


Editf to say sorry for the disjointed parts of my post.
 
#2
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-133240/Untouchable-prison-thugs-targeting-warders.html

It would appear that interfearance from ECHR have caused a few problems in our allready over filled and overstretchf prisons, at least the daily wail say so.
They state that prison governors have had the right to add extra days to a lags sentence withdrawn because its an abuse of human rights.
At the last prison i worked in adding extra time stopped over ten years ago and it was left to a circuit judge to do the job instead, we were told however that if a con did a serious assault we were to arrest them and get the police involved.
Prison is supposed to be the punishment, loss of liberty, so i can see why some prisoners think they are untouchable, after all the only punishment they are likely to receive is a couple of weeks down the block followed by a couple of weeks on basic ( no tv or playstation, and locked up for a bit longer).
There are many issues going on giving cons the impression that they can commit assaults on staff and get away with it, in this pc day and age the odds are in favour of the prisoner and they know it, senior managment have made it easy for them and twice as hard for the officers. Throw into the pc prison this echr ruling and things get worse.
Prison officers are just doing a job and should not have to put up with assaults by cons who think they can get away with it.
How can it be dealt with?
And as for compo for cons doing extra time, what are they going to give charles bronson when he finaly gets out?


Editf to say sorry for the disjointed parts of my post.
Don't start sending them here again.


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#3
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-133240/Untouchable-prison-thugs-targeting-warders.html

It would appear that interfearance from ECHR have caused a few problems in our allready over filled and overstretchf prisons, at least the daily wail say so.
They state that prison governors have had the right to add extra days to a lags sentence withdrawn because its an abuse of human rights.
At the last prison i worked in adding extra time stopped over ten years ago and it was left to a circuit judge to do the job instead, we were told however that if a con did a serious assault we were to arrest them and get the police involved.
Prison is supposed to be the punishment, loss of liberty, so i can see why some prisoners think they are untouchable, after all the only punishment they are likely to receive is a couple of weeks down the block followed by a couple of weeks on basic ( no tv or playstation, and locked up for a bit longer).
There are many issues going on giving cons the impression that they can commit assaults on staff and get away with it, in this pc day and age the odds are in favour of the prisoner and they know it, senior managment have made it easy for them and twice as hard for the officers. Throw into the pc prison this echr ruling and things get worse.
Prison officers are just doing a job and should not have to put up with assaults by cons who think they can get away with it.
How can it be dealt with?
And as for compo for cons doing extra time, what are they going to give charles bronson when he finaly gets out?


Editf to say sorry for the disjointed parts of my post.
You there. Yes you. Step away from the Daily Mail with your hands up and your outrage down.


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#4
You there. Yes you. Step away from the Daily Mail with your hands up and your outrage down.


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OP Works in the industry by the sounds of his post. He is simply adding to the content published by the Daily Mail.

The DM may report certain stories with a bit of froth to irritate people's sense of fair play and of course they have an anti ECHR agenda but most of the time their stuff is factual, albeit slanted as already mentioned.

As we have said many times on this board the existence and our membership of the ECHR is not a bad thing. Churchill himself perhaps the greatest ever Briton who lived advocated for it's existence. They have however been over stepping their remit as far as these so called human rights are enforced and this needs to be addressed.

Take away the ability of prison governors to punish and restrict privileges of inmates and it stands to reason the behaviour of these inmates is going to get worse.

Anyone but the left can see that!!!
 
#5
Not entirely true is it? Try assaulting a screw in a jail in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Albania, China, or some other socialist paradise, and see how much extra porridge you can eat thru a straw, after they've given you a face like a road crash victim.

It just seems to be the left in the UK and such places that is piss weak and spineless.
 
#6
How can it be dealt with?
A little while ago, the government proposed that legal aid for prisoners should be stopped, except for appeals against their sentence. I doubt that many lawyers would spend years taking a case to Europe if they're not getting paid.
 
#7
'Untouchable' prison thugs are targeting the warders | Mail Online.....................................................
They state that prison governors have had the right to add extra days to a lags sentence withdrawn because its an abuse of human rights.
At the last prison i worked in adding extra time stopped over ten years ago and it was left to a circuit judge to do the job instead, we were told however that if a con did a serious assault we were to arrest them and get the police involved.
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Regarding the "Added Days" (Loss of Remission). Although it is virtually impossible for a prisoner to get days added, the sentence of the court includes a period for good behaviour. I suppose a 15 year sentence sounds better to the public than the 10 years it actually represents(?)

As for taking assaults to court, I've seen a few examples of this. If you "win", the sentence will be concurrent anyway. It was viewed as a waste of time by most, except in the most serious cases.
 

jarrod248

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#8
Can't circuit judges add days now? The prisoners thought they'd be a lot softer than governors at adjudication. The circuit judges we used to get were much tougher.


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#11
OP never said loss of remission, said days added on.

Completely different. If its remission, then shit decision by ECtHR, if days added on then fair one.
 

jarrod248

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#12
OP never said loss of remission, said days added on.

Completely different. If its remission, then shit decision by ECtHR, if days added on then fair one.
It was never allowed to add more days than the original sentence but 'added days' are meaningless to a con at the start of a sentence. It only hits home half way through when they realise they should be out.


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#16
As the prison regime becomes more repressive (restrictions on enhanced status, limits on wages, increases in canteen (particularly tobacco) prices, plus regime changes saving money and restricting access to services, even suggestions of charging to visit the gym etc. What do you expect the prisoners who have nothing (and hence nothing to lose) will do to a foul mouthed screw? And be sure the reasonable officers will continue to not be assaulted. Keep kicking a dog and it WILL bite you.
 
#17
As the prison regime becomes more repressive (restrictions on enhanced status, limits on wages, increases in canteen (particularly tobacco) prices, plus regime changes saving money and restricting access to services, even suggestions of charging to visit the gym etc. What do you expect the prisoners who have nothing (and hence nothing to lose) will do to a foul mouthed screw? And be sure the reasonable officers will continue to not be assaulted. Keep kicking a dog and it WILL bite you.
They are in there to make amends to society for their lack of moral fibre... fcuking gym and tobacco? How about a good tazering 3 times a day until it clicks?
 
#18
As the prison regime becomes more repressive (restrictions on enhanced status, limits on wages, increases in canteen (particularly tobacco) prices, plus regime changes saving money and restricting access to services, even suggestions of charging to visit the gym etc. What do you expect the prisoners who have nothing (and hence nothing to lose) will do to a foul mouthed screw? And be sure the reasonable officers will continue to not be assaulted. Keep kicking a dog and it WILL bite you.
My bold, repressive, WTF are you talking about, its not supposed to be some sort of holiday camp/convalescent home/health farm for villains, its there as a punishment to take convicted villains out of the general population! Which costs us, according to some estimates, about £40,000 a year for each scrote!
 
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EScotia

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#19
As the prison regime becomes more repressive (restrictions on enhanced status, limits on wages, increases in canteen (particularly tobacco) prices, plus regime changes saving money and restricting access to services, even suggestions of charging to visit the gym etc. What do you expect the prisoners who have nothing (and hence nothing to lose) will do to a foul mouthed screw? And be sure the reasonable officers will continue to not be assaulted. Keep kicking a dog and it WILL bite you.
Restrictions to the enhanced privilege level are put in place to counter an inmates poor attitude/behaviour towards the prison regime or staff. The amount of money you can spend (wages) depends on privilege level also so there's 2 of your factors that are in the hands of the prisoner to rectify.

Regimes change in prisons generally because the Snr management have to provide everything within a budget and you may have noticed there is not a lot of government money around at the moment, particularly for the majority of the population which just happens to be outside the prison system, so why should prisoners be classed as a special case seeing as how they have proved themselves unworthy of being part of a normal society? Regimes also change because selfish, troublemaking prisoners constantly complain whenever they don't get their own way so management are under constant pressure to change their regimes depending on which prisoner lobby groups are successful in pressurising government.

Canteen prices rise (and fall) due to market forces and anyone who's worked inside a prison, or been a prisoner, can tell you that tobacco is a currency. If the decision was down to me I'd ban tobacco from all prisons.

An awful lot of non-conforming prisoners still get access to the gym and use it to socialise as well as burn off energy and beef themselves up. An amazing amount I've seen spend most of the time wandering around and chatting rather than use the time as it is intended. Again, if it was me, I'd charge those people who didn't use the facility as intended. Simple.

I've also met very few prison officers that are foul mouthed to prisoners; it isn't a good idea as apart from being unprofessional you stand a very good chance of having a complaint or multiple complaints raised against you which you do not want on your record. Strangely during my time as a prison officer I met many more prisoners who were foul mouthed but also saw that if you as a member of staff treated everyone equally and in a professional manner then it was reciprocated.
 

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