Assange about to do a bunk...

DaManBugs

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Book Reviewer
That's VERY selective quoting there. Why not quote the whole passage?
..... he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".

The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased."
So that particular leak had nothing at all to do with the Septics and their embarrassing antics in Afghanistan. Why didn't you point that out?

MsG
 
That's VERY selective quoting there. Why not quote the whole passage?
L
Your reading skills aren’t very good are they? I quoted the whole passage in both quotes.
So that particular leak had nothing at all to do with the Septics and their embarrassing antics in Afghanistan.
Never said it was. The point is his leaks haven’t led to deaths when he himself says they have
Why didn't you point that out?
Never said it was. The point is his leaks haven’t led to deaths when he himself says they have
 
That's VERY selective quoting there. Why not quote the whole passage?


So that particular leak had nothing at all to do with the Septics and their embarrassing antics in Afghanistan. Why didn't you point that out?

MsG
Mate do you want to read that again.

The sceptics and their embarrasing antics in Afghanistan?

Do you have no sense of irony or self awareness left?

 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Just because something is acutely embarrassing for the Septics doesn't mean that it endangers lives. The Septics were caught with their strides around their ankles, so they then maintained that the Wikileaks releases caused "untold damage", including making the exhausts fall off all gobment vehicles in Washington. All you've presented as "evidence" so far is vague, "coulda been" speculation. This article is a bit more precise:
Has Wikileaks cost lives?

MsG
Perhaps you'd better read your own link?
"At the very least, they will make governments like Pakistan and Yemen and others, which are collaborating with the US in the battle against terrorism, more reluctant to co-operate.

"It's harming some of the vital activities that the US government, the UK government or others engage in, which are protecting us against terrorism."
At the least, Wikileaks undermined the fight against terrorism.

But then you'd know that, with your wide experience of that supremely democratic state - the GDR.

Were you ever a snout the the Stasi?

Wordsmith
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Perhaps you'd better read your own link?


At the least, Wikileaks undermined the fight against terrorism.

Wordsmith
Joo velli fonni mann! Let's just see your quote again:
"At the very least, they will make governments like Pakistan and Yemen and others, which are collaborating with the US in the battle against terrorism, more reluctant to co-operate.

"It's harming some of the vital activities that the US government, the UK government or others engage in, which are protecting us against terrorism."
Have you any real idea what the actual "co-operation" of Pakistan and Yemen looks like? Protecting us against terrorism, my arse! "We've foiled three-hundred-and-eleventy terrorist plots this week and six-hundred-and-twelvty last week. But we can't tell you about them". Are you really that naive?

MsG
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Have you any real idea what the actual "co-operation" of Pakistan and Yemen looks like? Protecting us against terrorism, my arse! "We've foiled three-hundred-and-eleventy terrorist plots this week and six-hundred-and-twelvty last week. But we can't tell you about them". Are you really that naive?
Please feel free to explain why making Pakistan and Yemen less likely to co-operate with the UK and US on security helps foil terrorist plots?

You really are a weapons grade plonker.

Wordsmith
 
Joo velli fonni mann! Let's just see your quote again:

Have you any real idea what the actual "co-operation" of Pakistan and Yemen looks like? Protecting us against terrorism, my arse! "We've foiled three-hundred-and-eleventy terrorist plots this week and six-hundred-and-twelvty last week. But we can't tell you about them". Are you really that naive?

MsG
You are if you think the threat to the UK is not real and enduring.
 
Have you any real idea what the actual "co-operation" of Pakistan and Yemen looks like? Protecting us against terrorism, my arse! "We've foiled three-hundred-and-eleventy terrorist plots this week and six-hundred-and-twelvty last week. But we can't tell you about them". Are you really that naive?

MsG

Just as long as you keep distracting the pigeons from attacking us.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Please feel free to explain why making Pakistan and Yemen less likely to co-operate with the UK and US on security helps foil terrorist plots?

You really are a weapons grade plonker.

Wordsmith
You really should read the book: "Dirty Wars", by Jeremy Scahill. It contains all the sordid details of how Pakistan and Yemen played the US, just to get their hands on the millions the Septics readily handed over. Neither Pakistan nor Yemen had any real problems with "terrorists", until the Septics came along with "The War Against Terrorists" (commonly known as "TWAT").

I mean, you give the impression of being fairly intelligent, so how come you exhibit such crass naivety? How old are you, 10?

By the way, your use of ad homs doesn't actually strengthen your case, you know, Wormshit!:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
 

Helm

MIA
Book Reviewer
You really should read the book: "Dirty Wars", by Jeremy Scahill. It contains all the sordid details of how Pakistan and Yemen played the US, just to get their hands on the millions the Septics readily handed over. Neither Pakistan nor Yemen had any real problems with "terrorists", until the Septics came along with "The War Against Terrorists" (commonly known as "TWAT").

I mean, you give the impression of being fairly intelligent, so how come you exhibit such crass naivety? How old are you, 10?

By the way, your use of ad homs doesn't actually strengthen your case, you know, Wormshit!:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
I didn't think you could embarrass yourself further, but congrats you managed it.
 
You really should read the book: "Dirty Wars", by Jeremy Scahill. It contains all the sordid details of how Pakistan and Yemen played the US, just to get their hands on the millions the Septics readily handed over. Neither Pakistan nor Yemen had any real problems with "terrorists", until the Septics came along with "The War Against Terrorists" (commonly known as "TWAT").

I mean, you give the impression of being fairly intelligent, so how come you exhibit such crass naivety? How old are you, 10?

By the way, your use of ad homs doesn't actually strengthen your case, you know, Wormshit!:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
Dirty Wars is a fun book.

This is a fun guide to the British invovlement in the recent past and near east....

Secret Affairs: Britain's Collusion with Radical Islam by Mark Curtis

But for example, playing people is nothing except the national sport in Yemen.

Ali Abdullah Al-Saleh managed to play the cold war, then the Americans in the war on terror, then the Houthi rebels. It was only their that his luck ran out (or not, depedning on which conpiracy theory you choose to believe about the death photos that did the rounds).

Anyway, funny how Wikileaks seems to have no problem with Russians killing journalists as well.

You'd think something would leak equally?

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Have a read of where Wikileaks is helping...

Trolling for Trump: How Russia Is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
You really should read the book: "Dirty Wars", by Jeremy Scahill. It contains all the sordid details of how Pakistan and Yemen played the US, just to get their hands on the millions the Septics readily handed over. Neither Pakistan nor Yemen had any real problems with "terrorists", until the Septics came along with "The War Against Terrorists" (commonly known as "TWAT").
So nations play political games? I'm shocked.

And the US handed over billions to support rather undesirable regimes it decided were preferable to hard line Islamic ones. I'm doubly shocked.

As for "Pakistan nor Yemen had any real problems with "terrorists", until the Septics came along", you are seriously naive. Hard line Islamism has been around for centuries.

wordsmith
 
But he doesn't care.

He's a Professional Oirishman who (by his own admittance) holds no allegiance to UK but is more than content to wallow in the trough of social funds.
Doesn't explain a blind spot so large I half expect Sightsavers to appeal for urgent cataract surgery on his behalf.
 
Have you any real idea what the actual "co-operation" of Pakistan and Yemen looks like? Protecting us against terrorism, my arse! "We've foiled three-hundred-and-eleventy terrorist plots this week and six-hundred-and-twelvty last week. But we can't tell you about them". Are you really that naive?
Are you really that stupid?

Actually scrap that, you obviously are.
 
Now might not be the time for J Assange to renew his Sky Plus contract:

UK and Ecuador in talks on Assange's fate

"The UK and Ecuador are holding ongoing talks over the fate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the British government has confirmed.

Mr Assange, 47, has been living in Ecuador's London embassy since 2012 when he was granted political asylum.

Ecuador's President Lenin Moreno said on Friday that he was never "in favour" of Mr Assange's activities, and that both sides were in permanent contact. . . "
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Now might not be the time for J Assange to renew his Sky Plus contract:

UK and Ecuador in talks on Assange's fate

"The UK and Ecuador are holding ongoing talks over the fate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the British government has confirmed.

Mr Assange, 47, has been living in Ecuador's London embassy since 2012 when he was granted political asylum.

Ecuador's President Lenin Moreno said on Friday that he was never "in favour" of Mr Assange's activities, and that both sides were in permanent contact. . . "
All that makes you wonder just how much political, financial (and quite possible military) pressure the Septics have been exerting on the Ecuador gobment. Assange exposed them as the barbaric, imperialistic twäts they are and they want revenge, whatever the cost.

MsG
 
All that makes you wonder just how much political, financial (and quite possible military) pressure the Septics have been exerting on the Ecuador gobment. Assange exposed them as the barbaric, imperialistic twäts they are and they want revenge, whatever the cost.

MsG
You said 'gobment'. Again.

This confirms that you are a futile old man.
 

Helm

MIA
Book Reviewer
All that makes you wonder just how much political, financial (and quite possible military) pressure the Septics have been exerting on the Ecuador gobment. Assange exposed them as the barbaric, imperialistic twäts they are and they want revenge, whatever the cost.

MsG
You really have no idea, do you?
 

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