Asperger syndrome

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  1. hello just after a bit of advice please, i have a friend who has a child with aspergers and after speaking to her i apparently display alot of the symtoms myself .After doing some research i would strongly agree . My main question is if i was to go to my MO and request to be tested for the condition would i get handed a nice brown envelope with services no longer required or would it not make a difference . my main concern is that ive served 12 years and am a senior rank and getting kick out for that would be a right kick in the nuts as i would like to find out if i have the condition but dont want to leave the service.
    If there are any MO's or equivilent out there i would relly appreciate some advice .many thanks for reading this. :?:
  2. If you're living your life quite happily and getting on with your job then why would you want to get tested?

    So you display some signs of Aspergers - will having a diagnosis have any positive impact on your life at all? If the answer is 'not really' (and bear in mind that there's not a hell of a lot that could be done for you in medical terms if you are diagnosed) then why would you want to get tested when it could mean all sorts of bad things happening? If there's no logical reason to take the test then the only reason you want to do it is out of morbid curiosity and do you want to risk your career for that alone?
  3. Fugly

    Fugly LE DirtyBAT

    Initial thought: Wah.

    Second thought. You claim to be a SNCO, and you seek the advice of the internet MO's instead of your own. Conclusion: Wah.

    Third thought. Have you completed SCLM, or even a CDLC? Your mong post suggests otherwise. Leaders of men are expected to be able to type.

    Fourth thought. Conditions identified in service (that would normally be a bar to entry to service) are treatable. Approach your MO. Your real, physical MO, not the fucking internet.

    Fifth though. Wah.
  4. Whilst in no way am I claiming to be any sort of professional/qualified person, I would have thought if you had served 12 years in the Army and reached a Senior Rank, then it's pretty unlikely that you have AS. If you did have it, then I would hesitate to suggest that the symptoms are so mild as to be unnecessary to cause any concern. As the previous poster said; "Why put yourself through the process and possibly introduce any form of risk to a good career?" Just my opinion, you understand?
  5. 1. AS varies from person to person, it can be severe or light

    2. You've done your job up until this point. Why should it change anything?

    3. If you did get a positive diagnosis, would it actually help you? Are you likely to use it as a crutch/excuse? If yes to the former, go for the test. If yes to the latter, avoid testing.

    4. Speak to your MO.

    (Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional, nor a serving/former serviceman (AOSB briefing in a month or so) but I do have a friend with the condition and was tested for it myself after my (positive) dyspraxia diagnosis)
  6. Some trains of thought believe every person is somewhere on the Autistic Spectrum, with everyone displaying Autistic tendancies at times. Some people are further down the spectrum than others, which is where High Functioning Autism, Asperger etc comes into play.

    When someone is tested they have to undergo a series of interviews and answer as series of questions with a Clinical Pyschologist at a DCMH. He will then make a diagnosis based on interview and test results. If a positive diagnosis is made then he will asess what (if any) treatment is required and forward you on. Treatment may involve further Pyscholgist sessions, group therapy or cognitive behaviour therapy.

    Basically with ASD in the Forces, if it is severe enough to get you downgraded and discharged then ultimately you shouldn't be in anyway. If it is mild enough for you to have served 12 yrs and it be diagnosed before then you have no need to worry. They will not discharge you for it.

    Believe it or not, certain Autistic tendancies lend themselves well to a service life, and can actually be beneficial to you. Aspects such as equipment recognition and engineering lend themselves well to an Autistic mindset. Some US studies have revealed soldiers with HFA or Asp tendancies conduct themselves better under fire due to the analytical aspects of the mind taking over and subconciously thinking "where did that round come from? how can i assault that position, how can I solve this problem" as opposed to the subconcious thoughts of "oh sh1t, i'm gonna die, if that bullet hits me it's gonna hurt"

    I know all this because I was diagnosed with High Functioning Autism (amongst other things) recently and I've served 8 years. It will not be used as an excuse but it has answered a lot of questions. I look upon the diagnosis as an opportunity to start re-evaluating aspects of my personality that unbeknown to me) where offensive, boring, or anti-social. Hopefully with time I can become a better indvidual. If not I'll end up in the nuthouse counting matchsticks :wink:

    If you need any advice etc PM me
  7. If your that worried, pay BUPA to do the test for you and then tell them you don't want the records sent to your GP (the MO).

    I did this years and years ago when I had Bursitis in my elbow and a trip to the MO may have stopped me deploying. They diagnosed and treated it with no records ever going back to my unit.
  8. Good day to you manc29. You have done twelve years and made it to senior NCO, you are obviously doing something right....just keep on doing it and forget about psycho- analyzing yourself.
    As a bloke on the verge of old age, I have reached the conclusion that we all have a bit of a kink or wobble in us. It's mostly harmless. Unless it is affecting your ability to do your job, just get on with it. Enough trouble will find you in this life without going looking for it. Keep your head down and get on with things.
    Good luck.
  9. Diagnosing autistic spectrum stuff is always a minefield, because it's all done on a sliding scale and hugely subjective to interpretation of one specialist against another. Even if you were diagnosed with Aspergers, why on earth would you be kicked out the mob? There are lots of people who have speculated upon whether geniuses like Einstein, Newton et al suffered from some autistic spectrum disorder but it isn't a binary condition and so it's hardly grounds for SNLR. You might as well get a sick chit that says "wierd" or "funny" for all the good it would do.

    For example, I don't see too much of a problem with someone who struggles with social norms but can focus for hours on a target. Get him in a basha, just don't let him go on leave! Don't worry and don't even bother going for a test with a military doc - they're not always known for their understanding of psychology. OK so you might be a bit eccentric or enigmatic, but look at some of the sociopaths, misanthropes and rage-monkeys who appear to be doing very well thank you in the mob (and out) and you're probably not even in the same league.
  10. thanks to all (well nearly all ) very helpful i will assess my options now thanks for the advice
  11. My grandson has diagnosed AS and I display a number of the signs. We are lucky with him as the outward signs are not severe. The portion I have makes me a nasty bstard but not recognisable as AS.
    That said, if you have been operating OK in the service for 12 years and achieved a modicum of promotion - why look for trouble. What MOD do or do not do re AS in serving troops does not matter if you are not diagnosed as AS. FWIW/IMHO - stay cool and low profile.
    Either way - all the best. I have no worries re mine that was diagnosed some 15 years ago. I'd made WOI and had a very responsible and successful civil career.
  12. Hasn't their got to be a Triad of Impairment in the diagnosis of Autism?
  13. I have a stepson with Aspergers and he has many friends on the spectrum.

    As already stated, we all have some of the tendencies - some more than others. It's a sad indictment of modern society that we have to label everyone.

    I sincerely doubt that if you had Aspergers you'd have been in the army 12 years and/or be a SNCO.

    Just my humble opinion for what it's worth.
  14. Some wise folk on this thread. I have family who apparently have "Aspergers" and I've lived with kids diagnosed with autism too. As contributors have said, they are just labelled, as society tends to do.

    An autist might seem a pain in the backside to some, or seen as a genius for their "gifts" some of them display. Ignorant folks use all sorts of language about emotional and psychological conditions. But who isn't a "pain" or "different" or "gifted", at some times? All of us?

    In this world; faiths, religions, sexuality, colour, and others, are "protected " from discrimination and judgment. Half the time it seems to me, they should be left to cope with whoever they are, and whatever they're labelled with. People are people, none of us are perfect, and no one has the right to judge. But people do judge.

    One of the most difficult conditions to have is anything psychological, it's often invisible, misdiagnosed and often castigated.

    We are who we are and what we are, so fcuk everybody else mate and crack on with things, because in this silly world, it doesn't matter whether or not you have Aspergers or measles. The only opinion worth any salt, is yours.

    O S
  15. I remember having a troop Ssgt who almost definately has Aspergers. The symtoms hed displayed were incredibly obvious to any and all who served under him (unfortuanately the condidtion had only been catagorised 4 years perviously and no-one had heard of it!).
    His transposrt and equipment management was bang on, but the way he treated his guys was appaling with almost zero regards to any kind of personal needs or requirements of the troops getting in the way of his tpt\equip management. It was quite disturbing to be stood on parade aftert the rest of the unit had gone home night after night waiting for him to finish his paperwork before he'd allow us to finish!