ASM should only apply to those who are 1st or 2nd line

#2
mourneman said:
yep i will be there one day but i ask the question:

should the ********* who populate the dlo and headquarter type places like hq in ni be called asm

surely that should be reserved for the workers

and for all the walts out there

you obviousley didnt ask that hard for a real job

hmmm.......
 
#3
whitemouse75 said:
mourneman said:
yep i will be there one day b

hmmm.......
well said whitemouse i think your assessment of his potential is spot on. If mourneman's other posts are anything to go by, it will not be long before he earns his "oxygen thief" bar on ARRSE, to match the one he wears, next to the chip on his shoulder, whilst walking around his unit :D
 
#4
Made Me laugh...............

Mind you, my life is terribly dull........
 
#5
Mourneman - obviously you have reached your ceiling - Cpl???
If you are ever fortunate to achieve this rank, only then will you realise that you are sent where you are told. Yes you do have the added advantage that you can talk to records and perhaps have some influence on your posting. BUT WE ALL END UP WHERE WE ARE TOLD TO GO. If it isnt where you wanted to go then why shouldt you be able to use the appointment that you have earned.

To sum it up mourneman you are a F&^£wit.
 
#6
mourneman said:
should the ********* who populate the dlo and headquarter type places like hq in ni be called asm
Fantastic sentiment.

Becasue everyone knows that every WO1 in the Army doesn't go through the ranks they just appear in a posting.

Yer a right muppet if you think that someone that has become an ASM hasn't been there done that on the shop floor in their respective trades. Its a supervisor appointment.
 
#7
Right then where do I start

yep i will be there one day but i ask the question:

should the ********* who populate the dlo and headquarter type places like hq in ni be called asm I am in a HQ Land to be precise but I dont class myself as a ********, alas I have not been to a DLO.

surely that should be reserved for the workers

and for all the walts out there

This really grated as I dont class myself as a walt Ive served with SF and have the scouts badges to prove it...sic I am also on my second row of gongs did two back to back tours on OP TELIC 1-2 and also ran a JMC in Kuwait when everyone thinned out home, I have volunteered for ops on OP HERRICK for a 6-monther.

you obviousley didnt ask that hard for a real job

Just wondered what you class as a real job, you are obviously very ill informed on what real jobs there are, even in the DLO.Where do you think your ILS,PEPS and UORs come from.

I suggest you re read your post and try and quantify it with objective evidence, fella.


By the way I am an Artificer Sergeant Major and proud of the fact to be working in a 4 star HQ

You mate are obviously a complete mong, comming out with that drivel and need to a have a word with yourself....................OUT
 
#8
I guess spotting trolls and not responding to them is a skill you haven't picked up along the way then QMW :) :)
 
#10
anyone who has reached WO1(ASM) in the Corps is by right a ASM no matter where they work
It is how they choose to wear the rank that is important, they can sit back and wallow in their own glory or they honour the highest possiable non commissioned rank and make a difference. That my friends is were it goes wrong, to many just sit up in their ivory towers reading DES and telling us how great they were when they were a tiffy.
 
#11
DaleRoch, agreed fella, its very much an individual thing, same as any rank in the Corps, or indeed the Army, some of us are grown up enough to realise that, some are not............ :)

I feel an 'Oxygen Thief' label coming on........ :evil:
 
#12
mourneman said:
yep i will be there one day but i ask the question:

should the ********* who populate the dlo and headquarter type places like hq in ni be called asm

surely that should be reserved for the workers

and for all the walts out there

you obviousley didnt ask that hard for a real job
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:44 am

Assume this was a pissed up Sat night rant based on the DTG of the post?

Be interesting to see if you have the b*llocks to come back and justify your statements (not that they are justifiable) or just skulk off. Breath definitely not being held waiting for a response!!
 
#14
At first I wasn’t going to dignify that prat with a response, but as I do work in the DLO, I think I should throw in my 2 pence worth. Without the WOs and SNCOs in the DLO having the boll0x to attempt to reign in some of the civil servant fu*kwits, mongman would have even worse kit to play with whilst he chunters away, than he already has.

Nige mate, even trolls need pushing back under the stone from whence they crawled sometimes.
 
#15
It would be interesting to see the breakdown on field force vs the rest on the responses here. Having worked at 1st line, 2nd line, DLO and Div HQ at WO rank it seems to me that the need to work together is paramount. I would suggest that no WO should hold a position within DLO or any form of HQ with an ES responsibility without the necessary field force experience. Otherwise, how can he, as Picatinny_Rail puts it, reign in some of the civil servant fu*kwits (many of whom, incidentally are ex-WOs with a mass of field force experience).
 
#16
livethedream said:
I would suggest that no WO should hold a position within DLO or any form of HQ with an ES responsibility without the necessary field force experience. Otherwise, how can he, as Picatinny_Rail puts it, reign in some of the civil servant fu*kwits (many of whom, incidentally are ex-WOs with a mass of field force experience).
Quite right, and I didn't mean to tar all civil servants (CS) with the same brush. :oops:

In fact, some of my colleagues, who are ex military, despair as much as I, at the complete lack of drive, knowledge, understanding, and attitude of their fellow civilians!
(That’s not to say some WOs don't act like that.) However, I agree a that a foundation is required in a front line unit, in order that you can put perspective on some of the decisions made, and you are able to keep some CS feet firmly on the ground. But, I would temper that with the ability to act for the better good, an ability that often goes against front line thinking, and hence us being labelled as "not having a real job"
:x
 
#17
livethedream said:
It would be interesting to see the breakdown on field force vs the rest on the responses here. Having worked at 1st line, 2nd line, DLO and Div HQ at WO rank it seems to me that the need to work together is paramount. I would suggest that no WO should hold a position within DLO or any form of HQ with an ES responsibility without the necessary field force experience. Otherwise, how can he, as Picatinny_Rail puts it, reign in some of the civil servant fu*kwits (many of whom, incidentally are ex-WOs with a mass of field force experience).
I've known people who have spent their time between SSgt Art (end of first tour) and ASM in DLO-type positions. First-hand (negative) experience of working with them in units before they left indicated that the reason they never came back to the regiments was because their performance whilst there was reflected in confidential reports which, of course, Glasgow see for posting purposes, see scratchpad....
Tiffs are, of course, only human but if a tiff shows little aptitude for first or second-line command and feels more comfortable in an admin role, then this should be reflected in some way shouldn't it?

I posted the last two paragraphs about a year ago on a similiar thread and still feel the same. In addition, any tiff who says that his course prepared and fully equipped him for life and decision-making in DLO-type positions is truth-economising. At first/second line you, with your OC Wksp are in command and don't always have the luxury of being able to concentrate on just the one task.
 
#18
It is true that there are those amongst us, (I like the word amongst in this context as it has 'mong' in it! :p ), who by virtue of their personallity, are better suited to shoving paperwork around than being in close contact with junior tradesmen. Now this isnt a crittisism of these guys 'cos god knows I'd be a shambles at DLO or where--ever cos I hate the 'MoD' and the fact that whilst we need it, it saps an enormouse amount of cash/resources away from the guys that do the good stuff with the baddies, so I'm no fan of beaurocracy in any form and have as little to do with it as possible, but, some guys handle posts of that ilk waaaay better than I would and as such are just as valuable as folk who (and this will get me some in-coming...) actualy work at fixing kit for a living. Soooo, does that mean they are any less worthy of the recognition and kudos that goes along with the big fat badge, no, they bl00dly well are not - an ASM is an ASM, regardless of what route he/she (cos it'll happen soon enough) takes to get there!

So there. Leave it out and this thread should be consigned to the ArrseHole if you ask me. Its a public show of how pathetic we as a Corps are becoming. :evil:

BUggers.
 
#19
So there. Leave it out and this thread should be consigned to the ArrseHole if you ask me. Its a public show of how pathetic we as a Corps are becoming. :evil:
YEEEEEHAAAAA, Batsim, you hit the nail right on the head there fella! I've spent the last few evenings looking through our so called 'threads' and seeing nothing but whinges on how pathetic we are. Not that I am without whinge, but non of them are worth airing on these means. Constructive threads discussing relevant issues would be gratefully recieved by this callsign, (and in response to others, no I do not have an alias that logs on after a night on the p!ss). No doubt many of you are thinking well go on then post something worth while, when I think there is something worth while, (that doesn't attempt to degrade the Corps or instill further rot), then I will. In the meantime how many others feel the same way regarding the stream of negativity that is cursing this forum of late? 8O
 
#20
Its been a bit bad of late, but I still defend the right of the lads to have a moan about stuff. Its the only way we get to see, annonimously, if we are alone in our troubles.

THIS one however really gets my goat as its just purile childish crap that has a go at the very core of The Corps - I live my life along the lines of I may not respect the man, but I DO respect the rank. Its pure and simple basic soldiering and that is something we as a Corps are starting to loose a grip on of late. Airing our un-professionalism on here for all to see does nothing to solve our many and varied problems, if anything a lowering of our public perception will only make them worse.

So, moan away by all means, I do it all the time, but fer chris'sake, think about what you are actually moaning about before you post it.
 

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