Well, I've reached that point in my life when I'm going to throw it all away by popping the question to my girlfriend. The only problem is that when my girlfriends munter of a sister was proposed to by her boyfriend mutterings could be heard in the family. They weren't mutterings of "OMG the fat cnut has found a mug who'll marry her" but "why didn't he do the old fashioned thing of asking her father first?" Apparently her old man was gutted that he wasnt asked by her boyfriend, if he could have her hand in marriage. So, as I'm a decent kinda bloke (apart from when his daughter is getting a facial, or i make her gag on my cock) , i think i should do the decent thing and ask him for his daughters hand in marriage. I'm going to watch a Rugby Match with him tomorrow, and it'll be the only time we get some time to ourselves until way after Christmas. The only thing is, how do i say it? I don't want to sound like a cnut, but i also dont want to let the side down! "Can i ask for your daughters hand in marriage?" sounds crap, and " I'm gonna be doing your daughter up the arse for a while so is it ok if i marry her?" Just doesnt sound quite right! Any ideas lads? I may regret posting this in the NAAFI.