asian -Pakistani - muslim in the forces ???

#1
Two weeks ago I was accepted in too Southampton University officer training corps. The C.o and other cadets recommended applying for bursaries and sponsorship to join the army. I myself am doing a civil engineering degree.I can see myself in the army; it’s my sort of place, and a respectable carrier, I have no problem in serving the country that feeds my but, would it be a problem me serving It. If i was English- white, I would have signed the dotted line ages ago,

My friends and my family seem to think that joining the army is a very bad Idea, not because of any moral issue, but rather they believe that the army is a racist institution with far right elements. My time in the OTC so far indicates otherwise, I have met a few soldiers, and there all sound lads. My father who grew up in Oldham seems to think the army is related to the BNP and the Nf, I don’t want to takes my dad’s advice as I believe its is Tainted form living in Oldham and growing up in the 70,s. My granddad whose brother fought in the ‘Muslim regiment’ in the Indian army and served in alamen thinks it’s a great idea. So I am really confused.

are there any 'pakistani' in the forces ??
would soilders be comfortable serving with a muslim ??

Could people be as honest as possible, and forget all the niceties.
???
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#2
They will probably welcome you provided you tightened up your spelling me old mucker! Get in, Good Engineers are worth having and my father in law was an Engineer Subbie and it certainly made him!
 
#4
No you are going to Aston as you said, in another part of the Forum, so your going to two Universitys, you must be a clever wah
 
#5
^^^^^
I have enrolled it Southampton, I did a foundation in mechanical at Aston, and have no moved to civil, Southampton is ranked number 2 for civil so it’s a logical move..
 

chrisg46

LE
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#7
Your friends and family are assuming the stereotype is correct, whearea your gramps who has experience knows otherwise. Are you able to bring your family etc along to any social do's?
The only way to beak down the stereotype is to show them the truth.
 
#8
BrentfordUnited said:
are there any 'pakistani' in the forces ??

Yes, quite a few.

would soilders be comfortable serving with a muslim ??

Yes as long as you're a good bloke. Your religion doesn't come into it except for a small minority.

Could people be as honest as possible, and forget all the niceties. ???

You have to be aware that soldiers are the biggest p1ss takers in the world. If they take the p1ss out of your colour or race don't take it to heart unless they keep on doing it. Then they're probably racist. Blokes with ginger hair, big noses, fat blokes, those who are mentally challenged have the p1ss taken out of them all the time for their traits. It's what soldiers do!
 
#9
As you can see with the response, we are wary to this type of questioning and look into to things carefully as jouro's and other type ask questions like this, but the answer honestly from me, no problem what so ever, got loads of mates of Asian ethnic origin , British born and not. The forces are a family and we look after our mates, quite honestly soldiers don’t make wars civi's do, we fight who we are told to! Then are friends the next day with who we fought, regardless of what religious denomination.
 
#11
also from;

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...dRecognisesExcellenceInTheMuslimCommunity.htm

MOD recognises excellence in the Muslim community
10 Apr 07
The Ministry of Defence has signalled its continuing support for the Muslim community with the presentation of an award at the annual Muslim News Awards for Excellence.


Caption: Dr Adel Sharif, left, receives his award from Rear Admiral Amjad Hussain, the UK's highest ranking Muslim officer
[Picture: Konta TV Production/The Muslim News]
Rear Admiral Amjad Hussain presented the Fazlar Rahman Khan award for Engineering, Science and Technology on behalf of the MOD and the Armed Forces to Dr Adel Sharif. Dr Sharif is Associate Professor and Reader in Chemical and Process Engineering, and Director of The Centre for Osmosis Research and Applications at Surrey University’s School of Engineering. He has received several awards for his work on desalination and water purification, and holds seven patents for inventions in this field.

The presentation by Rear Admiral Hussain, the highest ranking Muslim officer in the Armed Forces, formed part of the MOD's continual support for the awards ceremony - it's the fourth consecutive year that the MoD and Armed Forces have sponsored the awards.

Rear Admiral Hussain said:

"It gives me great pleasure to present this award and I am delighted that the Ministry of Defence is once again sponsoring the Muslim News Awards. Promoting religious tolerance and diversity across the Armed Forces is very important to the MoD. The Muslim community makes a tremendous contribution to the United Kingdom and these awards present an excellent platform to promote their achievements."

The Muslim News is the largest monthly independent Muslim newspaper in the UK. The Muslim News Awards are designed to recognise and highlight the achievements of individuals, initiatives or organisations and to counter misconceptions and prejudices about the Muslim community. Nominations in the 15 award categories are made by the readers of Muslim News and are judged by a panel of experts drawn from the UK Muslim community.

Ethnic minority representation in the Armed Forces has risen substantially in recent years, from just over 1% in 1999 to around 5.8% as at 1 January 2007. This is the sixth year that the Army has been judged to be the top Public Sector performer in the annual Race for Opportunity benchmarking exercise for its race related policies and practices.

All three Services have specialist Diversity Action Teams aimed at promoting Armed Forces careers to UK ethnic minority communities. The Teams are aiming to create new and build on existing community partnerships. This includes links with secondary schools, local/borough councils, community organisations, religious organisations, employment groups, youth centres, festival organisers and the ethnic media
 
#12
BrentfordUnited said:
Two weeks ago I was accepted in too Southampton University officer training corps. The C.o and other cadets recommended applying for bursaries and sponsorship to join the army. I myself am doing a civil engineering degree.I can see myself in the army; it’s my sort of place, and a respectable carrier, I have no problem in serving the country that feeds my but, would it be a problem me serving It. If i was English- white, I would have signed the dotted line ages ago,

My friends and my family seem to think that joining the army is a very bad Idea, not because of any moral issue, but rather they believe that the army is a racist institution with far right elements. My time in the OTC so far indicates otherwise, I have met a few soldiers, and there all sound lads. My father who grew up in Oldham seems to think the army is related to the BNP and the Nf, I don’t want to takes my dad’s advice as I believe its is Tainted form living in Oldham and growing up in the 70,s. My granddad whose brother fought in the ‘Muslim regiment’ in the Indian army and served in alamen thinks it’s a great idea. So I am really confused.

are there any 'pakistani' in the forces ??
would soilders be comfortable serving with a muslim ??

Could people be as honest as possible, and forget all the niceties.
???
If you conduct a search on 'Nightrained's' racists posts and reactions yesterday there's your answer.
 
#13
A soldier is a soldier and stands or falls on whether he is good at what he does, irrespective of race, colour or creed. Get stuck in and be the best, be a British soldier.... one of the chosen*.


*The above does not apply to Taz_786 who is a turd of the highest order.
 
#14
Becauae the army are so scared of being non PC offically they would do you favours if anythings. They would like you for image. Plenty of people would proberly not really want you there some even suspoicous. If you care about people opions proberly better not to bother but why care.
 
#15
A Civil Engineering degree would point you towards God's Own Corps - the Royal Engineers. We'd certainly give you the best chance of using your degree and joining up at the same time.

There are undesirable elements in the army, the same as in any strata of society. I have some experience of working in civilian industry, and I can say that a lot more of the civvies were a good deal more bigoted and unpleasant, and less wary of voicing their prejudices, than anyone I have dealt with in the army.

Racism in, say, Balfour Beatty or Macalpine gets no airtime. On the rare occasion it's discovered in the Army it makes front page news. Don't take the nonsense you might find on this website at face value.

You are going to get a degree of p1ss taking - that's inevitable, I got it for being fat, and I know one guy who got continuous flak during training for having an odd shaped head - but unless you're ginger (horrible people who stink of wee) there shouldn't be any venom behind it. Particularly if you're good at your job and don't bite at every wind-up that comes along.
 
#16
BrentfordUnited said:
Two weeks ago I was accepted in too Southampton University officer training corps. The C.o and other cadets recommended applying for bursaries and sponsorship to join the army. I myself am doing a civil engineering degree.I can see myself in the army; it’s my sort of place, and a respectable carrier, I have no problem in serving the country that feeds my but, would it be a problem me serving It. If i was English- white, I would have signed the dotted line ages ago,

My friends and my family seem to think that joining the army is a very bad Idea, not because of any moral issue, but rather they believe that the army is a racist institution with far right elements. My time in the OTC so far indicates otherwise, I have met a few soldiers, and there all sound lads. My father who grew up in Oldham seems to think the army is related to the BNP and the Nf, I don’t want to takes my dad’s advice as I believe its is Tainted form living in Oldham and growing up in the 70,s. My granddad whose brother fought in the ‘Muslim regiment’ in the Indian army and served in alamen thinks it’s a great idea. So I am really confused.

are there any 'pakistani' in the forces ??
would soilders be comfortable serving with a muslim ??

Could people be as honest as possible, and forget all the niceties.
???
Baldex has a connection to Oldham. Read some of his posts.
Assuming this isn't a wah by the man in question.....
 
#17
Brentford,

Not quite sure if you're for real - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

There are quite a few Pakistanis in the Army - there should be more - but nowadays its 2nd and 3rd generation parents who keep them out and want their sons and daughters to 'do better'....

My advice to you is have a good look, don't rush to decisions or stereotypes and keep and open mind. A few years ago, the gunner in the turret of my Warrior was from a Pakistani background - and he used to tell me many stories of how his parents didn't want to him to be in the Army (he had come to the Battalion from the TA) but he was the best gunner in the Company (that's why he was mine) and no one was actually bothered about his background, he was (to use a stereotype) one of the lads... He has since left the Army and is earning lots of money in the family business, probably much more than I do....

So if you want to know how it really is, you have to have a look yourself and make your own mind up...
 
#18
FailedTAcont. said:
Becauae the army are so scared of being non PC offically they would do you favours if anythings. They would like you for image. Plenty of people would proberly not really want you there some even suspoicous. If you care about people opions proberly better not to bother but why care.
You, Sir, are a complete cnut.
 
#20
Becauae the army are so scared of being non PC offically they would do you favours if anythings. They would like you for image. Plenty of people would proberly not really want you there some even suspoicous. If you care about people opions proberly better not to bother but why care.
That is a vile posting. There are a few people in they army who think like that and they are usually the dregs of the rifle company or the unwanted and disliked members of a mess.
From the fact that you're a semi literate mong I would guess the former.

Most soldiers respect talent and ability. They want somebody who won't let them down in barracks, be a burden in the field and will back them up downtown. If you deliver the goods, have a sense of humour and are ready to chin anybody who tries to pick on you you will have no problems.

The one problem you might have as a Muslim soldier is alcohol. Booze is a huge part of army life (read the threads on Arrse) if you can't drink with the lads it will be difficult for you and might lead you to being isolated in your unit. I only ever met one non drinker - a boxing fanatic, and even he succumbed to the poison in the end...
 

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