Asian / Middle Eastern pair taken off plane at Malaga

#1



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5267884.stm




Incidents like this should be reported to the Daily Mail at once - in order for the wider public to be advised on how to remain vigilant. They weren't wearing sombreros; they weren't carrying luminous donkeys; their skin colour was neither white nor lobster red.



They should be held and grilled for 90 days at least - to protect the travelling public, and to explain to the authorities how this alarming situation came about.
 
#3
Why didn't they shoot them on the runway? Should non Caucasians be allowed to fly? Or should flights be segrated on racial and religious grounds ie 1 Shia, 1 Sunni flight a day with fighter escort
 
#4
Typical BBC, only telling half of the story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

Mutiny as passengers refuse to fly until Asians are removed
Passengers refuse to allow holiday jet to take off until two Asian men are thrown off plane


By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE and ANDREW CHAPMAN

12:08pm 20th August 2006

Passengers mutinied on a Monarch Airlines A320 at Malaga
The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic.

Passengers told cabin crew they feared for their safety and demanded police action. Some stormed off the Monarch Airlines Airbus A320 minutes before it was due to leave the Costa del Sol at 3am. Others waiting for Flight ZB 613 in the departure lounge refused to board it.

The incident fuels the row over airport security following the arrest of more than 20 people allegedly planning the suicide-bombing of transatlantic jets from the UK to America. It comes amid growing demands for passenger-profiling and selective security checks.

It also raised fears that more travellers will take the law into their own hands - effectively conducting their own 'passenger profiles'.

The passenger revolt came as Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary was accused of using the terror crisis to make money. Government sources say he boasted to an official at the Transport Department: "Every time I appear on TV, I get a spike in sales."

The Tories said the Government's failure to reassure travellers had led the Malaga passengers to 'behave irrationally' and 'hand a victory to terrorists'.

Websites used by pilots and cabin crew were yesterday reporting further incidents. In one, two British women with young children on another flight from Spain complained about flying with a bearded Muslim even though he had been security-checked twice before boarding.

The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.

Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.

Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.

The Monarch pilot - a highly experienced captain - accompanied by armed Civil Guard police and airport security staff, approached the two men and took their passports.

Half an hour later, police returned and escorted the two Asian passengers off the jet.

'There was no fuss or panic'

Soon afterwards, the aircraft was cleared while police did a thorough security sweep. Nothing was found and the plane took off - three hours late and without the two men on board.

Monarch arranged for them to spend the rest of the night in an airport hotel and flew them back to Manchester later on Wednesday.

College lecturer Jo Schofield, her husband Heath and daughters Emily, 15, and Isabel, 12, were caught up in the passenger mutiny.

Mrs Schofield, 38, said: "The plane was not yet full and it became apparent that people were refusing to board. In the gate waiting area, people had been talking about these two, who looked really suspicious with their heavy clothing, scruffy, rough, appearance and long hair.

"Some of the older children, who had seen the terror alert on television, were starting to mutter things like, 'Those two look like they're bombers.'

"Then a family stood up and walked off the aircraft. They were joined by others, about eight in all. We learned later that six or seven people had refused to get on the plane.

"There was no fuss or panic. People just calmly and quietly got off the plane. There were no racist taunts or any remarks directed at the men.

"It was an eerie scene, very quiet. The children were starting to ask what was going on. We tried to play it down."

Mr Schofield, 40, an area sales manager, said: "When the men were taken off they didn't argue or say a word. They just picked up their coats and obeyed the police. They seemed resigned to the fact they were under suspicion.

"The captain and crew were very apologetic when we were asked to evacuate the plane for the security search. But there was no dissent.

"While we were waiting, everyone agreed the men looked dodgy. Some passengers were very panicky and in tears. There was a lot of talking about terrorists."

Patrick Mercer, the Tory Homeland Security spokesman, said last night: "This is a victory for terrorists. These people on the flight have been terrorised into behaving irrationally.

"For those unfortunate two men to be victimised because of the colour of their skin is just nonsense."

Monarch said last night: "The captain was concerned about the security surrounding the two gentlemen on the aircraft and the decision was taken to remove them from the flight for further security checks.

"The two passengers offloaded from the flight were later cleared by airport security and rebooked to travel back to Manchester on a later flight."

A spokesman for the Civil Guard in Malaga said: "These men had aroused suspicion because of their appearance and the fact that they were speaking in a foreign language thought to be an Arabic language, and the pilot was refusing to take off until they were escorted off the plane."
 
#5
stoatman said:
Typical BBC, only telling half of the story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.

In the gate waiting area, people had been talking about these two, who looked really suspicious with their heavy clothing, scruffy, rough, appearance and long hair.
Oh Stoaty, the Daily Mail has obviously manufactured that bit of the story as the BBC would never selectively report news... :roll:
 
#6
I don't know, I got off the tube on July the 8th last year because I saw some Muslims, everyone was very uneasy on that friday. This sort of thing will grow I think, people have the right to be vigalant but no offence but I remember coming back to Manchester a few days ago in Terminal 1 arrivals seeing a flight come back from Malaga with the typical British chav scum all sunburnt and drunk, sometimes it makes you ashamed to be British.
 
#8
The Daily Mail are past masters at producing non-stories such as the one quoted above.


Never mind aircraft, we should be banning "liquids" from all future Daily Mail lunches. It might dilute the hacks' tendency to churn out creative innuendo. The travelling public might become less prone to hysterical behaviour - which could only be a good thing (apart from selling less papers). (edited to say: oh, that's also a good thing)
 
#9
Both Monty the cricketer and a former Muslim RAF officer colleague of mine would be removed from a flight under some of these "intelligence led profiling" criteria.

The calibre of passengers who use Monarch from Malaga would probably be suspicious of anyone without an "Ingerlund" tattoo and a shaven sunburnt head.

This will get ugly - it is only a matter of time before someone sues an airline for such treatment.
 
#10
There's rather more to it than race/language, but.... bottom line, certain racial factors do have a bearing on the likelyhood of a passenger potentially being a threat. Yes, the nay sayers will point to those persons who may, due to skin tone or whatever other factor "have slipped the net" in the past, profiling is not a panacea it is however a useful tool in a wider, sensible airline security system.

As an NI resident I have experienced profiling in the past, at a time when perhaps we were less sensitive to such things...It never troubled as it was patent to me why I had to undergo a seperate check-in procedure and declare my intentions to the 'Branch. In my experience those who did complain about it were frequently those who were actually worthy of closer attention anyway.
 
#11
I don't believe the Daily Mail thing about padded jackets, etc. They'll probably apologise for making it up in six months time and disguise the apology as a crossword clue - and by then everyone will have moved on to the next farcical situation, whatever that is.
 
#12
Frenchy, people like you only believe what suits your twisted world view.

I'm with biscuits on this one. I didn't hear you or your human rights buddies piping up when everyone going into Belfast city centre was getting searched by an armed copper. Or spending twice as long at the airport flying out of NI.
 
#13
frenchperson said:
I don't believe the Daily Mail thing about padded jackets, etc. They'll probably apologise for making it up in six months time and disguise the apology as a crossword clue - and by then everyone will have moved on to the next farcical situation, whatever that is.
Is that because the Mail reported it, or because you think the passnegers were being a bit artistic in their portrayal of the asians? :?
 
#14
Evidently two White coated men refused to take to a cricket pitch this afternoon after 11 Asian looking men were seen loitering without intent near their changing room door.
 
#16
Can always rely on the daily mail to tell the full version, of THEIR story
 
#17
Thank heavens for the Daily Mail, otherwise we'd all be in the dark :roll:

The decision to fly or not lies with the cabin crew and the captain, if the cabin crew suspect anyone then it is only right they should investigate further and remove them from the ac if required.

Who doesn't check their watch a lot when they're on a flight? I do because you're always waiting around or wandering what the time is at your destination. As for wearing plenty of clothes, it can get cold on an aircraft during flight, in particular at around 3am when your body temperature naturally drops as your body expects to be asleep.

Strikes me the underinformed Great British Public need to balance vigilance with realism.
 
#18
first off, I am not familiar with Monarch so can't say what the general type of passenger they would carry but if it was a charter from a package holiday destination it is possible that some of the knowledge of world affairs for the passengers could be coming from such indepth publications as The Scum? Profiling has its place by those who are trained in it and if the chav element are dictating security decisions on aircraft it is a wee bit ironic. IIRC there have been just as many stories in the past about flights from sun holiday destinations being disrupted by drunken louts who in the worst cases are threats to the safety of the aircraft.
Anyway, with all the hype and extra sensitivity to extremist bombers at the moment, is it not far more likely that they will be doing their homework and making as much effort as possible to blend in rather than sticking out from the crowd which would guarantee extra attention and be more likely to prevent them from keeping their appointment with Allah and the virgins...
 
#19
Joseph Public are pretty reluctant to act or voice opinion openly - unless it's in the pub. They'll mutter under their breath when someone pushes in a queue etc. but will seldom act. All I can suggest is that the two individuals involved must have been acting very suspiciously indeed for people to react the way they did - which is quite extraordinary. They certainly did not seem to fit in with the usual Spanish holiday crowd either by all accounts. If it was their idea of a joke to wind up the housing estate bunch by acting suspiciously, then it appears to have backfired. If not, then...?

I can imagine the headlines next year:

Suicide Bombers Were The Malaga Two.
 
#20
Bat_Crab said:
Thank heavens for the Daily Mail, otherwise we'd all be in the dark :roll:

The decision to fly or not lies with the cabin crew and the captain, if the cabin crew suspect anyone then it is only right they should investigate further and remove them from the ac if required.

Who doesn't check their watch a lot when they're on a flight? I do because you're always waiting around or wandering what the time is at your destination. As for wearing plenty of clothes, it can get cold on an aircraft during flight, in particular at around 3am when your body temperature naturally drops as your body expects to be asleep.

Strikes me the underinformed Great British Public need to balance vigilance with realism.
Personally I would say the decision whether I fly or not lies with me. Not with the crew or anyone else. Of course if I decide not to fly then the problem of getting another flight is also up to me.

If these people who refused to board or walked off the plane were told "Ok so you don't want to fly, that is of course up to you but you will have to pay for another flight" I wonder how many of them would have stood their ground?

Of course on the other hand maybe we should have a lot more of this type of thing? If you were getting on to a plane/train and saw something that made you suspicous what would you do, remembering that you have your family and children with you. Would you just ignore it and hope?
Do you just walk past abandoned luggage and say "Fcuk all to do with me" or do you report it to someone?
Maybe this time the passengers were wrong but does that mean the next time people will be too scared to report/act on their suspicions because they will be accused of rascism?

Be honest, would you sit next to some bearded swarthy skinned type who was wearing a large coat, sweating nervously and mumbling prayers to himself while checking his watch?
 

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