• ARRSE have partnered with Armadillo Merino to bring you an ARRSE exclusive, generous discount offer on their full price range.
    To keep you warm with the best of Merino gear, visit www.armadillomerino.co.uk and use the code: NEWARRSE40 at the checkout to get 40% off!
    This superb deal has been generously offered to us by Armadillo Merino and is valid until midnight on the the 28th of February.

Ashdown pulls out of Afghan role

#1
Wise decision Lord Ashdown...

Certain quarters are looking for a fall-guy not a fixer. Unless you are prepared to be a nodding donkey, doing as told, but also taking the rap for all the cr@p, steer well clear of this job. It's poison.

Letter

Ashdown pulls out of Afghan role

Paddy Ashdown has told the UN secretary general that he no longer wishes to become special envoy to Afghanistan.

Mr Ashdown said the job needed Afghan government backing that did not exist, even though President Hamid Karzai had once "wished him to take up the post".

Cont/...
Also suspect that his 'vision' of what needed to be done was not perfectly in accord with Washington!!!
 
#2
Interesting. Lord Ashdown's letter attributes Afghan opposition partly to his nationality, and Britain's role in the country. How does that square with the Afghans reportedly touting Gen Sir John McColl for the job?
 
#3
Who are those who are looking for a fall guy, WC -and just how do You know.

Did they tell You?



What did Paddy give as His reasons for changing His mind? Oh yes . . . .

However, since our meeting there have been many reports, both diplomatic and in the media, including in Afghan Government-controlled newspapers, that President Karzai and members of his Government are opposed to my appointment, partially based on my nationality and Britain’s role in Afghanistan.

I have always been of the view that this job only stands a chance of being
successfully carried out if it enjoys consensus within the international
community and the whole hearted agreement of the Government of
Afghanistan.

I accepted the job you kindly asked me to do on that basis, and in the hope that I may be able to contribute to the cause of stability and peace in Afghanistan, in the best interests of its people. I should certainly not wish my appointment to become an impediment to that. The task involved is difficult enough in any case. I just do not believe it is feasible in the face of opposition from the elected Government of Afghanistan.

Unless You are claining that Karzais government is the one looking to place the blame elsewhere?
 
#4
Hackle,

Quite so! I suggest that we have some very clever diplomatic-speak being used to cover up the real reasons behind all this. Gen McColl, although British, will be in place as a NATO appointee - and Kharzai is relatively happy with NATO at present.

More from the Telegraph

No final agreement was reached on the powers of Lord Ashdown's possible job as Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary General.
[snip]
Last week, Mr Karzai told an Afghan cabinet meeting that "some vagueness" surrounded the proposed job for Lord Ashdown and unless the UN clarified matters, the Briton could not take up the post.

"The administration is trying to resolve the issue with UN consent," said Mr Karzai, according to the Kabul Times.
[bigger snip]
The former Royal Marine has written widely on post-conflict reconstruction and last year he gave warning of the possibility of failure in Afghanistan.

At first, Lord Ashdown was being considered for a uniquely powerful coordinating role in Afghanistan. British officials said the first proposal was that he would have served as the joint envoy of the UN, Nato and the European Union.

But this combined, "triple hatted" proposal was dropped for lack of support. Lord Ashdown was then considered for the role of representing the UN. But even this scaled down proposal was not acceptable to Mr Karzai.
And just a short while after a couple of Irishmen were asked to leave the country whilst engaged in Britain's AO in the south. Hmmmm!


Sven,

:(
 
#5
Menzies Campbell was on News 24 just now saying that Karzai had catagorically refused to let Ashdown work in the position. He never mentioned a fall guy :roll:
 
#6
What seems to be happening is that some clever chaps from the UK/Ireland were trying to do business with the anti-government forces in Afghanistan and weren't keeping the government in the loop.

Strangely, the Afghan government has the opinion that they should be consulted. ZanuLabour was probably trying to sell them down the river. Funny that they should be upset. Or not
 
#7
It would be interesting to know the origin of the opposition. Is it coming soley from Karzai's office or is someone in Washington not keen on Ashdown and leaning on the afghans?
 
#8
What seems to be happening is that some clever chaps from the UK/Ireland were trying to do business with the anti-government forces in Afghanistan and weren't keeping the government in the loop.
IMO elements of the Afghan 'Government' were very much in the loop, insofar as the the pair involved may allegedly have been making things potentially embarrassing by shining lights under rocks as to who was involved with what.

The Afghan Government (hoho) not wanting someone like the Lord Ashdown on the scene smells of not wanting a 1,000,000 candela light shone under the very same rocks.

That is my personal opinion of course.
 
#9
Sven said:
Menzies Campbell was on News 24 just now saying that Karzai had catagorically refused to let Ashdown work in the position. He never mentioned a fall guy
And YOUR point is?

Once again SVEN, you are treading in waters that YOU have no experience and dangerously little knowledge. Tread carefully.
 
#10
PartTimePongo said:
What seems to be happening is that some clever chaps from the UK/Ireland were trying to do business with the anti-government forces in Afghanistan and weren't keeping the government in the loop.
IMO elements of the Afghan 'Government' were very much in the loop, insofar as the the pair involved may allegedly have been making things potentially embarrassing by shining lights under rocks as to who was involved with what.

The Afghan Government (hoho) not wanting someone like the Lord Ashdown on the scene smells of not wanting a 1,000,000 candela light shone under the very same rocks.

That is my personal opinion of course.
There's been a massive shift in British policy in Afghanistan since the One-with-Faith handed over the reign to the One-without-Eye. It's clearly not been to the Mayor of Kabul's liking, nor - according to whispers within the Washington Beltway - the Whitehouse.
 
#11
PartTimePongo said:
What seems to be happening is that some clever chaps from the UK/Ireland were trying to do business with the anti-government forces in Afghanistan and weren't keeping the government in the loop.
IMO elements of the Afghan 'Government' were very much in the loop, insofar as the the pair involved may allegedly have been making things potentially embarrassing by shining lights under rocks as to who was involved with what.

The Afghan Government (hoho) not wanting someone like the Lord Ashdown on the scene smells of not wanting a 1,000,000 candela light shone under the very same rocks.

That is my personal opinion of course.
I think you'll find that it's more of a quarrying operation. :)

Whatever the opposition to Ashdown's appointment, this saga has unearthed some interesting comments from Karzai. The propsed "triple-hatted" job is unlikely to garner support in country, whoever the candidate was.
 
#12
PartTimePongo said:
What seems to be happening is that some clever chaps from the UK/Ireland were trying to do business with the anti-government forces in Afghanistan and weren't keeping the government in the loop.
IMO elements of the Afghan 'Government' were very much in the loop, insofar as the the pair involved may allegedly have been making things potentially embarrassing by shining lights under rocks as to who was involved with what.

The Afghan Government (hoho) not wanting someone like the Lord Ashdown on the scene smells of not wanting a 1,000,000 candela light shone under the very same rocks.

That is my personal opinion of course.
My opinion as well, never forget the vast majority of Afghanistans leaders actualy don't know how to do peace.

Paddy not going is bad news for the mission.
 
#13
I surmise the media's use of the term - "super envoy" may not have done Paddy's role much of a favour with President Karzai and his government. Me thinks with Kosovo on the boil again, our Paddy's experiences will be put to much better use.
 

Latest Threads