AS90 or PzH 2000?

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  1. Total artillery neophyte; was trying to scope out the relative worth of the British AS90 and its German counterpart when I came across this post on

    Fairly damning; is Germany's equipment really that much better than ours? (Post is from 2002.)
  2. fu2

    fu2 LE

    yes, but more expensive.
  3. There have been varous reports from NL and GE users in Afg that PzH availbility is not all it should be. Conversely in 2001 in Iraq AS90 demonstrated the highest availability of any UK AFV, it does the job.

    Cbt weight of PzH is 60 tonnes and it carries 60 rds, AS is 48 tonnes and carries 48 rds. When empty PzH will seem a lot more spacious because it is bigger.

    AS90 is not entirely manual, shells can be loaded entirely automatically from the magazine and primers are in a primer magazine. My understanding is that like AS90 not all PzH onboard shells are in the magazine and some have to be handled. PzH does not have fully auto cartridge loading the only gun that goes anywhere near this is the latest version of the French AUF, auto loading carts means preparing and loading the right charge by machine. AS90 and PzH use the same propelling charges and the actual charge is prepared manually. PzH merely loads it into the breech mechanically once its been manually prepared. Over engineering is one view of this, the benefits are not obvious given the need to manually prepare the charge.

    SP arty mobility is governed by what the ammo vehicles can do, it is not like a tank where tactical mobility is critical. This means SP arty does not need tank like mobility, giving it replects a lack of system thinking, again over engineering. Tanks get bogged if you drive them in the wrong place.

    The AS90 paintwork probably reflects paint jobs in barracks over the manufacturer's original. Both use electrical connectors and the like to the same standard, similarly electronic box seals will be the same.
  4. Another alternative, but obviously not NATO.
    The G6 self-propelled howitzer is a South African artillery piece, developed around the ordnance of the G5 howitzer. It is one of the most powerful self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis.
    In addition to the logistical mobility afforded by a wheeled chassis, the G6 is protected against counter battery fire and is able to defend itself in an unsecured area.
    The chassis is mine-protected. The G6 is produced in South Africa by the Land Systems division of Denel. It entered production in 1987.

    More G6 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  5. You have to be joking, its big, its unstable (it has outriggers and a hydraulic spade under the hull) it has restricted traverse. No doubt it looks impressive on parade, and is therefore wonderful for asphaltenplatz armies, for armies that take their job seriously, nope.
  6. The 9 mile sniper seems to have done it's job just fine over the years, it's not supposed to be a comfortable family car, it's a chunk of metal that lobs other chunks of metal and explosives at people and it does it rather well.
  7. as90 has gone to war
    Hermans version has stayed home it might be better but it doesnt go anywhere so what?
  8. With lines like this, I wouldn't take the review too seriously.
  9. Not sure that that's true. I think Herman has some in Afg. The cloggies definitely had a couple, I heard they took 30 minutes to respond to a call fo fire, first they had to move the gun out of the shed where they had to keep it in the shade, then they had to fire a couple of warming rounds somewhere safe (it seems the cold gun/barrel memory effect is a serious problem), after all this could get around to actually attacking the target. It's weight meant it did lots of harm to what passes for a road thereabouts.
  10. AS 90 has proven credentials , and recognised weaknesses , mainly its gutless powerpack,, German thingymajig may well be an improvement in many aspects but it wont be involved in any nastiness, like a lot of German gear, it stays clean and remains reliable,,, our kit gets used and abused , we exercise more , longer and harder, then it goes to war . The Bundeswehr doesnt have the political mandate , their kit just isnt used as robustly as ours , no wonder its reliable , its still in its grease packing , all being well the spineless German politicians will get involved more on the world stage and start firing its guns instead of smiling and writing cheques,,,,,,but first ve must save Ze eurozone, Jawohl.
  11. "No attachment points for add-on armour here". Why would you want extra armour on the AS90; it's a SPG, not an MBT.
  12. same reason as MAN trucks and ABLE?