As the dust settles the Winners and Losers are..........?

#1
For me,

Lib Dems - where was the Clegg effect?

Tories - I swear Gove was going to have a seven year old hissy fit last night! I honestly thought he was going to scream at David Dimbleby "But its OUR turn." Followed by crossing of arms and a t1tty lip.

DC - I seperate him off because I think he will take a pounding from Grass roots tories over the coming weeks. They ran a very "Central Office" campaign, and the regional parties feel they had better Ideas but were ignored. They are searching for a scapegoat for not getting to 326. Some of DC's close advisors are going to feel the heat.

BNP - Didn't even save their deposits (I think).

I would put Labour, but given the humping I think they were expecting, they haven't done "as badly as all that". At least that will be the word out of Millbank over the weekend I fear.

The British Electorate - Because I think they have virtually guaranteed another GE within 18 Months. But that is what happens when you run a "Big Ideas" campaign when actually I and most of the people I speak to just wanted to hear what would be cut and when.

The winners? Well the BBC Newsroom set looked brand spankers so someone must have been paid to build it.....
 

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#2
Slightly at a tangent but I became a tadge irritated by the proliferation of 'Liberal Democrats Winning Here' signs around the constituency where I voted. Just for the record, Heather Kidd, you dodgy old Lib Dem slapper: the Lib Dem to Tory swing was 7.8%, you got your arse handed to you and the Tory majority was nearly 10,000. So fuck off.

There, I'm glad I got that off my chest.
 
#3
MrShanklysboots, you summed-up rather well there. I'd only add that the other losers are the legitimate electorates in constituencies where ALLEGED electoral fraud has been committed. Parliament needs to repeal the section of the Representation of the People Act 2000 which allows postal voting 'on demand' as it is an invitation to commit fraud.
 
#4
As far as UKIP are concerned... the real winners are the Air Accident Investigators!!
 
#6
cpunk said:
Slightly at a tangent but I became a tadge irritated by the proliferation of 'Liberal Democrats Winning Here' signs around the constituency where I voted. Just for the record, Heather Kidd, you dodgy old Lib Dem slapper: the Lib Dem to Tory swing was 7.8%, you got your arse handed to you and the Tory majority was nearly 10,000. So fuck off.

There, I'm glad I got that off my chest.
Opposite to the constituency next too me, Lib Dem had a tiny majority over the Con candidate. Went an increased his majority, and I thought Cheltenham would go Conservative this time round. Odd world.
 
#7
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
The losers, the tax paying British people who are having to pay for it all and who are going to be totally ignored until the politicians call the next election! :x
 

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#8
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.
 
#9
MrShanklysboots said:
For me,

Lib Dems - where was the Clegg effect?

Tories - I swear Gove was going to have a seven year old hissy fit last night! I honestly thought he was going to scream at David Dimbleby "But its OUR turn." Followed by crossing of arms and a t1tty lip.

DC - I seperate him off because I think he will take a pounding from Grass roots tories over the coming weeks. They ran a very "Central Office" campaign, and the regional parties feel they had better Ideas but were ignored. They are searching for a scapegoat for not getting to 326. Some of DC's close advisors are going to feel the heat.

BNP - Didn't even save their deposits (I think).

I would put Labour, but given the humping I think they were expecting, they haven't done "as badly as all that". At least that will be the word out of Millbank over the weekend I fear.

The British Electorate - Because I think they have virtually guaranteed another GE within 18 Months. But that is what happens when you run a "Big Ideas" campaign when actually I and most of the people I speak to just wanted to hear what would be cut and when.

The winners? Well the BBC Newsroom set looked brand spankers so someone must have been paid to build it.....
Mmmm...perhaps on an individual seat by seat basis, but polled 560,00(approx) votes across the country and occupy 5th place of votes cast...food for thought..??...nobody seems to have put it in those terms..!!..under PR they would have 12 seats..
 
#10
cpunk said:
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.


Well informed, Hmm... your not one of them are you? Perhaps just one of their hangers on! :lol:
 

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#11
cpunk said:
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.
cpunk, I feel so comforted by your assurance, the only drawback is I don't believe it!

These people will find ways of screwing money from the system in such a way that they can claim they are only doing what the payments office allow. Same old, same old - just different methods to get there. IMHO
 
#12
ex_colonial said:
cpunk said:
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.


Well informed, Hmm... your not one of them are you? Perhaps just one of their hangers on! :lol:
Actually no M8.. :) ..I'm the the Brit born son of a WW2 Polish airman whose paternal G'Father was done at Katyn by the 'Reds' and a goodly proportion of uncles by the Germans..but unlike some I recognise facts and call a spade a spade.. :D
 
#13
BlueDanubeWalt said:
ex_colonial said:
cpunk said:
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.


Well informed, Hmm... your not one of them are you? Perhaps just one of their hangers on! :lol:
Actually no M8.. :) ..I'm the the Brit born son of a WW2 Polish airman whose paternal G'Father was done at Katyn by the 'Reds' and a goodly proportion of uncles by the Germans..but unlike some I recognise facts and call a spade a spade.. :D
??? :?

Sorry, "bluedanubewalt" are you saying you are another pseudonym of "cpunk"? If you are I'm totally confused by your answer :?
 
#14
ex_colonial said:
BlueDanubeWalt said:
ex_colonial said:
cpunk said:
ex_colonial said:
The winners are all those lying MP's who've still got their snouts in the trough! :x
By this do I take it you object to MPs being paid? Or are you making the assumption that they are all still claiming expenses on the same dodgy scale that they were 18 months ago, because I can assure you that very few of them are.


Well informed, Hmm... your not one of them are you? Perhaps just one of their hangers on! :lol:
Actually no M8.. :) ..I'm the the Brit born son of a WW2 Polish airman whose paternal G'Father was done at Katyn by the 'Reds' and a goodly proportion of uncles by the Germans..but unlike some I recognise facts and call a spade a spade.. :D

??? :?

Sorry, "bluedanubewalt" are you saying you are another pseudonym of "cpunk"? If you are I'm totally confused by your answer :?
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: I've just replied a completely wrong topic..took off my glasses for a moment... :oops:
 
#15
OK "bluedanubewalt", you had me wondering for a moment! :lol:
 
#16
I know it is Polly Toynbee in the Guardian and all that but this article made me seethe with rage at the disgusting self interest being shown. Always thinks of party first and the country a distant last. How did 8 million vote for them?

Guardian
"they [Labour] might relish taking up their seats on the opposition benches. Sitting there like Cheshire cats, they could watch the Osborne cuts do their worst, with Lib Dem tacit support. A government that commands no majority, a government which most of the electorate rejected, would do its savagery to a people plainly resisting widespread public service decimation. Who would be in their shoes?"

"So, watch for the suppressed smiles on Labour faces today. Secretly, the opposition benches for a couple of years may feel the more comfortable place for Labour to sit out the coming storm."
 
#17
js374 said:
I know it is Polly Toynbee in the Guardian and all that but this article made me seethe with rage at the disgusting self interest being shown. Always thinks of party first and the country a distant last. How did 8 million vote for them?

Guardian
"they [Labour] might relish taking up their seats on the opposition benches. Sitting there like Cheshire cats, they could watch the Osborne cuts do their worst, with Lib Dem tacit support. A government that commands no majority, a government which most of the electorate rejected, would do its savagery to a people plainly resisting widespread public service decimation. Who would be in their shoes?"

"So, watch for the suppressed smiles on Labour faces today. Secretly, the opposition benches for a couple of years may feel the more comfortable place for Labour to sit out the coming storm."
Toynbee is the worst sort of tribalist, however I think what she says is a correct assessment of the Labour mindset. Remember what Mervyn King said about the winner of the election becoming unelectable? Scary thought.
 
#18
Can't be much joviality in SNP HQ today - Wee Eck's hope for 20 seats proved forlorn, he's still got the same 6 seats (albeit with an increased share of the vote) but any hopes of being Alex the Assistant Kingmaker in a hung parliament have gone. Gutted :D

Can't be much fun at the HQ of the other nationalist party either - Barking not only turned down the chance to elect Nick Griffin but have booted out all 12 BNP councillors. And their website is still u/s. Again, gutted. :D

Is 'nationalist' in the title bad joss??

C_C
 
#19
Toynbee is simply doing wishful thinking there.

First, Brown and Labour will be blamed for everything. Every time the new government -assuming it is a Tory led coalition or Tory minority which has come to an 'accommodation' with the Lib Dems - has to do something which is unpopular, it'll be blamed on Brown. And it'll be difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to produce evidence saying 'no it wasn't'.

Second, as it seems likely that any Osborne budget will be produced with Lib Dem approval, that means that it is a budget brought into being at the behest of the Tories and Lib Dems, which means that her usual point about the government not enjoying the support of the majority of the electorate (a point she went jolly quiet about between 1997 and now after banging on about it during the early 90s. Can't think why) falls down there.

Third, given the swings from Labour to Tory in many constituencies, her claim that the public is 'plainly resisting widespread public service decimation' may not be as solid as she suggests. Particularly if the decimation comes in the form of Labour's favourite quangos - I daresay that a few billion could be found from binning several of these, without much in the way of complaint from the Sun, Mail and other 'papers.

By the by, I notice that Plaid Cymru haven't ruled out working with the Tories (but not going into coalition)- I have the sense that some of them now distrust Labour as much as they distrust the Tories. Then again, given who the Sec of State for Wales is at the moment, that's probably not a surprise...
 

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