Artillery Command Systems

#4
What do you want to know?

Artillery Command Systems is a trade qualification. You will do courses that are communications centric. you can serve in any RA Regiment with the qualification, as opposed to if you wanted to be an Air Defence Gunner or an AS90 Gunner or Light Gun Gunner.

Other trades are Strike (Guns), Logistics, Targetting (OPs), MT etc.
 
#6
Assuming you are not (yet) at Phase 1, here's how it works:

Go to phase 1 (pirbright probably).

At Ph1, choose an Artillery Regiment to go to - as I mentioned above, all RA regiments have ACS slots.

Get given a Regiment - hopefully the one you have chosen, maybe not, depends on vacancies, needs of the Regiments (they may have an op tour coming up etc).

Finish Ph1 and go to Larkhill to do Phase 2 training - your trade training. Now at RA Phase 2, everyone does a general course. This covers driving and signals/ACS stuff. you will complete Phase 2 with a L1 Gunner qualification, with ACS listed as your trade branch (as opposed to strike for guns, or MT, or logistics, or Air Defence, or Locating for Radar etc).

Go to the Regiment you were told of at Ph1. you will then do your level 2 qualification - for you, as an ACS wannabe, you will do Level 2 ACS. Day to day, depending on the Regiment you will do ACS stuff - on exercise and on operations you will do "signalling". In a gun regiment you will probably work in the Command Post on the Gun position - the info from the OPs (Observation Posts) comes to the command post and is given to the guns to fire on the target. You as ACS qulified bloke will be on a radio in there speaking to the guns or the OPs. You may get put into one of the Regiment's higher command posts, like the FSC, but it is much the same job.

If not on exercise, on ops or not doing your level 2 course (which you'll do quite soon after arrival), there will be mainetnance on equipment, vehicles, physical training to do, etc etc.

Is that enough info, or is there anything more you need to know. I have tried to give the basic idea, but if any of it sounds like gobbledygook then ask!
 
#8
It depends on what you want to do. We accepted ACS trained guys (and a girl) into the OPs when we raised the Tac Gp Bty, because we didn't have enough OP trained bods within the Regiment. They knew how to signal (part of OP drills) and we taught them the OP side once they were in. The transition was fairly smooth.

If you are choosing ACS as your trade though, you should expect to do it as your job and most ACS within a gun regiment (AS90 or Light Gun) is with a command post of some sort.
 
#9
gc22 said:
I think that covers everything so will always be in a command post then???
Not neccesarily now as you have to complete communicator RA parts 1 and 2 (part 2 of which is split into 2 trade streams either CPs or OPs) you could work for either. State your preference when you get to your unit if your fit and keen go on the OPs if you want a more relaxed (lazy) lifestyle go and be a shiney arse on the CPs. You will probably find that the CoC will evaluate your potential and make a decision for you.
 
#10
I am hoping to join the British Army in the Artillery Command Systems. I was wondering if I will be taught to design and maintain computer networks. I also want to know if I can do CCNA and Microsoft courses which will help me do my job in a better way.

The Royal Artillery website mentions the following message for the ACS job: "GUNNER Artillery Command Systems (ACS) - Operate and maintain the latest high tech computer and radio equipment to ensure that voice and data messages are passed across the battlefield. ACS is used in every Royal Artillery Regiment.

REMEMBER - No Comms - No Bombs!"

To sum it up all, I want to know if I will be taught to create, maintain and troubleshoot computer networks apart from other duties. I understand that in the Royal Signals they teach it to those going as Systems Engineer but I am not eligible to go for the Royal Signals so from my research, ACS in the RA was the only job which was close to computer networking.

Please advice.

Thanks
 
#11
In a word

No

Thats Royal Signals, the "Computer Systems" they talk about are not what you are thinking of, there are some jobs which will involve Computers but on the whole thats not the job you would be doing if you follow the ACS stream

If you want to become a network guy then join the Royal Signals
 
#13
I wanted to know if I will get to work on computers, computer networks and take up professional courses from Cisco and Microsoft. I am passionate about IT and stuff. My original job choice was Systems Engineer in Royal Signals but being a commonwealth citizen, I need to be resident in UK for 3 years which I am not so ACS was the closest I could get similar type of job. But please do tell me if there are other job which are similar to Systems Engineer. Some of them I have come across are Military Communication Engineer (RE), Driver/Communication Specialist (RLC).
Assuming you are not (yet) at Phase 1, here's how it works:

Go to phase 1 (pirbright probably).

At Ph1, choose an Artillery Regiment to go to - as I mentioned above, all RA regiments have ACS slots.

Get given a Regiment - hopefully the one you have chosen, maybe not, depends on vacancies, needs of the Regiments (they may have an op tour coming up etc).

Finish Ph1 and go to Larkhill to do Phase 2 training - your trade training. Now at RA Phase 2, everyone does a general course. This covers driving and signals/ACS stuff. you will complete Phase 2 with a L1 Gunner qualification, with ACS listed as your trade branch (as opposed to strike for guns, or MT, or logistics, or Air Defence, or Locating for Radar etc).

Go to the Regiment you were told of at Ph1. you will then do your level 2 qualification - for you, as an ACS wannabe, you will do Level 2 ACS. Day to day, depending on the Regiment you will do ACS stuff - on exercise and on operations you will do "signalling". In a gun regiment you will probably work in the Command Post on the Gun position - the info from the OPs (Observation Posts) comes to the command post and is given to the guns to fire on the target. You as ACS qulified bloke will be on a radio in there speaking to the guns or the OPs. You may get put into one of the Regiment's higher command posts, like the FSC, but it is much the same job.

If not on exercise, on ops or not doing your level 2 course (which you'll do quite soon after arrival), there will be mainetnance on equipment, vehicles, physical training to do, etc etc.

Is that enough info, or is there anything more you need to know. I have tried to give the basic idea, but if any of it sounds like gobbledygook then ask!
 
#14
anything in the army with communicator in its job title (like the RLC one you listed) is probably going to be a person trained in using a radio, NOT network comms. As stated above, computer network stuff is done by the Royal Signals and in itself is a fairly specialised role. Your best chance of getting IT qualifications is to be a signaller and take them in your own time. you could then look to apply for a trials job in something like what used to be the BOWTATs (Bowman Trials teams). these teams would use qualified soldiers to attend trials in all sorts of areas. As you say, having to do 3 years in the UK before you can apply to do certain jobs is frustrating, but a fact of life to do with the content taught on the courses (security classification).
 
#16
Being a commonwealth citizen, I do not think I can join the Royal Signals since I need to be resident in UK for minimum 3 years before I join them. I have been resident just over two years now and so I was thinking if I could join Royal Artillery as ACS and as soon as I finish another year in UK, I join the Royal Signals. Is it possible?

Another thing that confuses me is that ACS is a job which falls under Intelligence, IT & Communications and so does most other jobs from the Royal Signals. So is it easier to move in the same field (Intelligence, IT & Communications) or in the same Regiment, for example, Royal Artillery or Royal Signals.
 
#17
Yes - every soldier has a right of transfer. BUT it depends on vacancies and whether you're actually the sort of person who would benefit from the move. It has to be approved in Glasgow - by the army's career group managers.



Career fields only really exist for officers in the sense you mean it here: for most soldiers, they work their way up in one specialism because that's how the capbadges are organised. If I were you, and I was dead set on joining the Royal Corps one day, you could do a lot worse than spending a few years in the Gunners, getting a feel for comms in general before heading off down the rather more specialist IS Comms route in the Royal Signals.
So you advice that I first join the ACS and then as soon as I finish the residency period I apply to join the Royal Signals? If that is possible and what you mean then, what about the ranks that I gain in ACS? Say for example if I become a Sargent in ACS and then when I transfer to Royal Signals, will I have to start from a Signaller or will my rank be the same but I will be taught indepth about the IT and Communication side of it?

After reconsidering my job choices, the following are the job roles which interest me and would like to know the role that is closest to working with computer networks so that I can decide my 1st, 2nd and 3rd job choice. They are:
1. Military Engineers Communications

2. Infantry Soldier (IT Specialist)

3. Operator Military Intelligence (IT Security)

4. Driver/Communication Specialist
 
#18
You're even starting to confuse me now...

If you need to be a resident in the UK for 3 years, you could join up as a Gunner (Royal Artillery) in ACS trade and kill the extra year and then try to transfer to the R Signals. Transfers aren't easy, but could happen.

you then list 4 jobs as your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices (see my confusion?). I don't know anyhting about these, but presumably an IT specialist would work with any Infantry IT equipment (BOWMAN?). Military Engineers Communications would set up comms (not much IT there) and Driver/Communication specialist would be a driver signaller. The Int corps guy may specialise in IT security, but I wouldn't imagine he is running around setting up IT.

For example - the IT here where I work is managed by a G6 department - all civilian (3 staff). There are no military IT engineers here like you would find in a civvi company, as to be honest, we in the military don't really "do" IT. The systems we use in camp are predominantly civilian based and managed. Field versions are managed by Royal Signals.

If you are expecting to come and be an IT specialist in the Army, I fear you may be disappointed.

I would caveat that with me not knowing about every trade in the Army...you could do much worse than gaining a basis in communications in one of those jobs.

also, in your first year in any trade, you would be unlikely to advance much more than LCpl, or equivalent (LBdr in RA).
 
#19
The four job choices I mentioned are all those that are related to IT that I could find which interest me. I was thinking to take up one of those closest to that of Systems Engineer and after I finish the residency criteria, I apply to transfer to Royal Signals. I am not sure if ACS is any closer to Systems Engineer as much as the other four job choices I mentioned. Infact I too am getting confused in choosing the right job choice out of those four I mentioned so any advice will help.
 

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