I know it will heve been doen before but always worth updating, especially in light of the continual 2 year change in party line (mmm.. how long do DEME(A)'s do in post again???) Is an artificer (specifically a fitter section commander) a leader or a manager? For my two penneth worth: 1. Management is a function of leadership - not the reverse 2. If the OC LAD is a leader then surely a FS Comd is as he fulfils the function at a Coy level? ENJOY!!!!