ARRSE on the piste ....Skiing, Boarding, Resort reports etc -

Ah Winter sports......

  • Skiing is for poofs in lycra - pass the port

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Skiing is for the dominant race - see you on the snow

    Votes: 16 69.6%
  • Skiing is like, whooah...wheres my board dude?

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Why ski when there is beer ?

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Krautinger Schnapps is the water of life.....

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • People are still skiing? How did this happen!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .

Goatman

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#1
I had a quick glimp at the Sticky above - which seems to be an advertorial.

Thought a thread giving Arssers a chance to tell their own experiences on the slopes would be useful, so here goes. Feel free to adapt the format or stick to 9 liner style.

Where you going? Where you been ? Any good / Who with ? Nightlife? Talent ? Recommend or steer clear ?

To kick off I just got back from a week in Austria.

RESORT: Wildschoenau, Austria - ( Niederau,Oberau and Auffach)
TRAVELLED WITH: Neilson's
FLIGHT: London Gatwick to Innsbruck - Thomas Cook Air Arm
COST APPROX (ALL UP):£233 Flt + 6 nts Accom Ski pass £134 Ski pack +3 days Ski school £160
CONDITIONS Skiied everyday, first two days in sun on old snow then it snowed for 3 days out of 6. Good powder, visiability poor at height on occasion (max height Schatzberg in Auffach 5,000ft)
VERDICT A relaxed fun re-intro. Does what it says on the tin.Not ludicrously pricey. German beer - steer clear of Krautinger Schnapps....
COMMENT/LESSONS IDENTIFIED: I had a ball - BUT

1) beware Thomas Cook check-in policy - arrived with 40 minutes in hand and was told baggage loading closes an HOUR before flight....whoops. T-C perss in GTW could not have been more unhelpful.
Flew out EasyJet and had to beg a lift to the resort from EXTREMELY HELPFUL Inghams team in Insbruck.If I hadn't pre-booked Car Parking (Air Parks - which is a twenty minute bus ride away) then I would not have missed the flight.

2) This was last-second booking - so my accomm was Bed & breakfast "allocated on arrival" in Niederau. I was sole guest in tiny (4 rooms) but lovely GastHaus Sonnwend ..elderly owners v. friendly but had zero English.....cue some mangled German and a lot of sign language. Good room (the famous Austrian Twin with ensuite shower/wc) but on the edge of town and no other facilities.

3) Niederau is quiet....Irish Bar gets a bit raucous (but Guinness is 5 Euros a pint and tasted unlike elswhere)....main beer is Zipfer but other brews encountered were HofBrau and Krombacher in various locations. There is a Pizzeria where a magical 10 inch thin and crispy with a glass of wine came in at 7 Euros. Filled roll in Spar supermarkt for lunch was Euro 1.60... Food on the mountain surprisingly not too pricey......Niederau is also home to Parascending club - if you fancy freezing your arrse off on a tandem flight from the 2,800 ft top of the Markbachjoch gondola it'll set you back 80 Euros

4) Niederau has some gentle low down blue runs close to the two Ski Schools (red and Blue. Go with Blue (less stuffy) and ask Albert about his dress) with mostly reds from the Gondola station down plus two black runs.....neither of which is particularly long. Don't know about off-piste 'cos I'm old. For Boarders, some good long straights on the red runs but no half-pipe in Niederau that I saw. More reds in Auffach and a Board Arena - but it was closed last week so need to check.

LINKS:
WILDSCHÖNAU - Holiday in Tirol - Kitzbüheler Alpen


Last minute ski deals and cheap ski holidays from Neilson



if you ski like this then Niederau would be a tad dull....you should be on the Hannenkam up the road in Kitzbuhl with the Beckhams .....and that pearly Heidi Klum on your arm..




Viertig ! :thumright:

Dee BillyBock
 
#2
Niederau & it's environs isn't too bad for a quick holiday as are lots of other good resorts in Austria.

But for a bit of Squaddie nostalgia, why not go back to good old Sonthofen?
You can have a couple of days at The Fellhorn, Nebelhorn, The Grünten, Oberjoch, Grasgehren, Steibis or The Mittagberg. & there's loads of other smaller slopes around.

You won't see that many groups of squaddies making prats of themselves because there's not that many Army huts there nowadays. But it's a good skiing holiday, with something for every ability.

The girls are still Very friendly!!!
 

Goatman

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#3
Always fancied Garmisch-P but never managed to get there. Couple of REME friends said their Corps hut was still widely used.

The Army Winter Sports meeting 2011 is at Serre Chevalier in France
LINKY

18 Jan - 28 Jan 11 Army Champs (Ex LIONS CHALLENGE) Serre Chevalier FRA
29 Jan - 05 Feb 11 Inter Service Champs Meribel FRA
Cancelled Reserve Forces Champs (Ex SNOW LION) Aviemore SCO [ one Army my Arrse...]
27 Mar - 03 Apr 11 British Champs Meribel FRA
 
#4
A Good Thread!

RESORT: Obertauern, Austria (The Austrians like to keep this little gem a secret from the rest of the human race and if you ever get the chance to go there you will understand why! fantastic runs, surrounded by Mountains and a great Apres Ski Atmosphere and you can dance like your dad and sing like your cat and fit in very nicely with the yokels).

Jahorina, Mountain above Pale in Bosnia which hosted the Womens downhill event in 84, (attached boarding pics, myself and a mucker boarding over the ruins of the destroyed Radar Station on Jahorina) again this is a hidden gem, the majority of ski-ers and boarders from Sarajevo go to Bjelasnica - mens downhill platz during the 84 Winter olympics. Jahorina has some great little Gluvine Huts dotted all over the Mountain and the local food under the Sac is brilliant!

TRAVELLED WITH: Ourselves - plane to Ljublijana in Slovenija and then hired a car and drove up to Austria. For Jahorina it is only 45 minutes from the Centre of Sarajevo.

COST APPROX - All in I would say Obertauern is quite expensive, Jahorina on the other hand is cheap as chips.

CONDITIONS Obertauern has it all, superb long runs and a cross country safari trail. Jahorina has a few good runs, problems can be if the lifts stop for the day due to bad weather on the Mountain which can be quite often!

VERDICT Obertauern if you can afford it would probably be right up there on your top 3 ever visited ski resorts, the Beatles thought so too as they skiied there several times and one of the hotels is dedicated to their trips there with beatles on wooden ski's and other Beatles pics all over the walls.
The Apres Skiing is fantastic and the atmosphere in all the beverage huts is great, plenty of Kuhano Vino (Gluvine) drunk during the skiing/boarding and at night be prepared to down several Family sized Steins of Austrian Maß or in 2lt Doppelmaß Beer Steins to wash down the massive piles of food like Brettljause, Würstelstand and Schnitzelsemmeln, bloody mouth is watering thinking about it!

COMMENT: Don't miss Obertauern if you can afford it. Jahorina is different but worth a visit if you are in the region, most of it has been reconstructed and there are no problems with mines in the Winter up there, although it is not a top tip to go trekking around there when the snows thaw as the radar Station and other places were very heavily mined during the war and deminers have been injured clearing them due to the terrain. You can hire all the gear in both places and Instructors are available for hire in both also (if anyone needs to be put in touch with an Instructor for their kids for Jahorina drop me a PM).
 

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#5
I am officially shit at that ski thing*, but willing to watch men in lycra.

*Troodos 1992.
 

Goatman

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#6
Dale, if you went " ski-ing " under the professional care and kindly instruction of a British Army BASI back in the day...it don't mean sh1t about your innate ability.

As I found out, a lot has changed since Gulf 1 - even on the slopes.


Shorter wider skis for one thing are now the norm.....the kit is better, even the damn boots aren't quite as clunky as they were.


And of course, if standing on two planks on a 1 in 3 covered in ice is not your thing - you can always try boarding (rad, babe) ....you don't have to be the Rad Zeppelin to have fun.....and of course, the German beer afterwards helps enormously.....mine's a Warsteiner cheers.


Corporal Sarah Marriott during her winning run in the Ladies' Parallel Giant Slalom final [Picture: LA(Phot) Owen King]



I feel an Arrse battlefield tour of the Italian Front coming on......
 
#7
Having been on a fair few ski trips after a 20 year suspension ( due to the sprogs bleeding us dry ), my money is on Niederau in Austria, the last time being shortly before Goatman went there.
We went to the Hotel Sonnschein on half board, which was without fault. More high quality scoff than joe average could put away, and at genuine 4 star, only slightly more expensive ( £50 pp pw ) than our last effort, to Pension Diane, a supposed 3 star. Ok food, but cold, very shabby rooms, which only served to keep us out on the apres in Gunthers bar.
Went to Hannes the year before. Way better than the 3 star suggests, and same price as Diane. Bargain.
Had a sniff around the Almdorf cabins during the last visit when the rain pissed down all day, and they look really good.
Probably the cheapest way to go if you can meet the occupancy ( 4, 6 and 8 pax huts ) and don't mind self catering.
Tripadvisor is worth a look on the rest.

The skiing is limited in Niederau, and the competent could do the lot by lunchtime. The two black runs would be classed as ' cheeky reds' in most other resorts.
Auffach, ten mins on the free bus would keep most skiers amused, but is not a patch on a resort like Mayrhofen.

Mrs X has gone from second season beginner to a good intermediate fairly quickly, due to the skiing in Niederau. Most of the time the red runs are completely empty, leaving her to concentrate on what she's doing without worrying about getting in people's way.

My only general gripe is that the snow reports over the last month have been wildly innacurate. Everbody we spoke to was amazed that the promised " neck deep powder after non stop snowing since xmas " was in fact a green valley, barely covered in slush in places.
Further confirmed by the locals who said it hadn't snowed since xmas.
Glad to hear it improved for you Goatman.
 
#8
I was taught to ski by two former Sappers in the car park at Jahorina, one was a ski instructor in the Corps, after half an hour they agreed (or rather they made it up) that I was 'okay' so off we went to the top of the Mountain to the Black slope and my Ski career began! I was quite possibly the most dangerous person ever to set foot on a pair of ski's and my illustrious skiing career came to an end a couple of years later when we all discovered the Snowboard, I haven't looked back since, for me it is a lot easier, safer and bags more fun than Skiing but each to their own. What I have found though is that you are never too old to learn to ski even if you think you are past it.
 
#9
Always fancied Garmisch-P but never managed to get there. Couple of REME friends said their Corps hut was still widely used.

The Army Winter Sports meeting 2011 is at Serre Chevalier in France
LINKY

18 Jan - 28 Jan 11 Army Champs (Ex LIONS CHALLENGE) Serre Chevalier FRA
29 Jan - 05 Feb 11 Inter Service Champs Meribel FRA
Cancelled Reserve Forces Champs (Ex SNOW LION) Aviemore SCO [ one Army my Arrse...]
27 Mar - 03 Apr 11 British Champs Meribel FRA
Serre Chevalier is apparently shite. Dumped snow at the beginning of the month and that is about it. Icy as hell due to high temps during the day and freezing at night. With La Grotte being the best bar in town, well, it aint great.

This from a bod just back from Spartan Hike (4 Div?).
 

Goatman

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#10
Mrs X has gone from second season beginner to a good intermediate fairly quickly, due to the skiing in Niederau. Most of the time the red runs are completely empty, leaving her to concentrate on what she's doing without worrying about getting in people's way.

My only general gripe is that the snow reports over the last month have been wildly innacurate. Everbody we spoke to was amazed that the promised " neck deep powder after non stop snowing since xmas " was in fact a green valley, barely covered in slush in places.
Further confirmed by the locals who said it hadn't snowed since xmas.
Glad to hear it improved for you Goatman.
Yeah the sunny side was all green when I arrived too but it has snowed about 15cms in the valley floor since you were there...will post a couple of pics for you.

Gunter's/Simon's bar is where the HofBrau was.....and the presence of lil blonde Claudia behind the bar was not too offputting either.

Funny that it was a return to skiing for you - me too. And, notwithstanding that Niederau is quiet and undemanding I'll probably go back.

Good to hear the Hannes get your thumbs up - I was thinking about that one for next time !

[edit] PS.....there were an awfy lot of Polish skiers in town for some reason....couple I spoke to were from Katowice and had driven across 16 hours....they seemed to have colonised the Simmelwirt - which they are welcome to. Was it knee deep in RAV4's and Porsche Cayennes with Polish plates when you were there ?

For the record, before sprogs arrived and we were care-free happy DINKYs I skiied :
FRANCE - Montdore/Bareges/Montgenevre
ITALY - Oga/Macugnaga
AUSTRIA - Zell/Kaprun
CZECH Rep - Pecs
ANDORRA - Soldeu/Arinsal

...and like you, prior to this trip, it's been 20 years - and I can't wait to go again :muhaha:


Le Chevre
 

Goatman

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#11
here y'go peeps, easy squeezy cut and paste :

get scribbling!

RESORT:
TRAVELLED WITH:
FLIGHT:
COST APPROX (ALL UP):
CONDITIONS
COMMENT/LESSONS IDENTIFIED:
Anyone ski Banff/Whistler as part of the BATUS R&R package ? Magic or a pile of poo?
 

terroratthepicnic

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#12
I have skied in:

Andorra - Soldeu/El Tarta
Great for beginners as its quite flat at the top and has a really long green run for when you want a lazy ski.

Switzerland - Crans Montana
Great for intermediates and expirienced skiers. The town it self is quite quiet compared to most, but there are plenty of places to eat and drink off piste (and on). The runs tended to be full of dags when I was there, so some carfull skiing was needed. But the main groomed runs were wide and not to busy.
Warning: watch out for the snowboarders here, as piste etiquette is something they seem to have forgotten.

Bulgaria - Borovets
Great for beginers at the top and intermediates elswhere. Expert would probably get bored as there is only 1 decent black run.
When I was there it hadn't snowed enough to open all the lifts, but the runs were well kept and very nice to ski. The ski scchools were great and a weeks skiing was very cheap (pass, equipment and school all included in the price).
Off piste there is a lively party scene with plenty of good food and beer to be drank. Those that have been to Bosnia, will be able to speak the local language, but most speak english.
 

Goatman

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#13
(Is a dag like a Barney but with a poorer dress sense ?)

X59 - here y'go...this was the B&B - E25 a night and all the coffee you can drink.....white stuff in foreground may be unfamiliar....more to follow as required once I get all technical.




Niederau Drache - winter plumage


here y 'go...this is alongside the Franciskusweg outskirts of Oberau


....and the top of the Markbachjoch gondola....3,500 feet
 
#15
RESORT: Les Contamines
TRAVELLED WITH: Ski4Less
FLIGHT: N/a Restricted minibus... (NEVER again)
COST APPROX (ALL UP): £50 (with various funding) to go 200ish Euros on beer!
CONDITIONS: Skiied Monday - Friday, had to leave off the slopes early on Weds cause it rained and made the snow slushy
COMMENT/LESSONS IDENTIFIED: The majority of the group had never skiied before. However since our instuctors had never skiied Les Contamines before, we were taken straight up The Signal and put on a pretty steep blue slope, which knocked alot of our confidence.
The next day we were on a green to build up our confidence and by the end of the week the majority of the novices were skiing red slopes, which were pretty challenging.
The company we skiied with was our ex QMSI, and fair play our appartment was lovely, the guys didn't get that much of a good deal though, their accom was pretty bad even though we were all paying the same.
We spent most of our nights in the Tetras bar, overpriced but hey all French bars are. Got some really good banter and had some brilliant nights out!
If your not on too much of a budget i would definatly reccomend it!
 

Goatman

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#16
RESORT: Les Contamines
TRAVELLED WITH: Ski4Less
FLIGHT: N/a Restricted minibus... (NEVER again)
COST APPROX (ALL UP): £50 (with various funding) to go 200ish Euros on beer
Cheers AR,


a week's skiing for fifty quid......when you leave the Service you may have a slight shock :)....couldn't do that in Scotland let alone French Alps.

Been wondering about driving out .....a possible option is fly/Drive ....UK to e.g Munchen then hire a jalopy there. We'll see.

In other news:

SOURCE

The top honours at the 1 (UK) Armoured Division's annual military skiing contest, Exercise Pipedown, have once again gone to 1 Logistic Support Regiment (1 LSR), who have dominated the competition over previous years.


A disabled competitor taking part in Exercise Pipedown
[Picture: Sergeant Mark Nesbit RLC, Crown Copyright/MOD 2011]

The ten-day competition saw the North Germany-based unit declared the overall divisional combined ski champion unit as well as the best team in the men's Alpine and Nordic disciplines.

The men's 1 LSR team also won the military patrol race - an event designed to test soldiers in all the essential military skills expected of them on operations, including marksmanship, map reading and physical endurance.

It is the 17th year that Germany-based 1 (UK) Armoured Division held its championships at Alpine ski resort Les Contamines-Montjoie near Mont Blanc, with more than 70 per cent of the 320 competing soldiers and officers being novice skiers.

Exercise Pipedown is part of the British Army's programme of Adventurous Training and provides an opportunity to hone important skills, enhancing individuals' abilities to withstand the rigours of operations and rapid deployments.

It also offers the opportunity for novices and experts alike to ski under international competition rules.

And this year's event, which also included soldiers based in Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, was one of the most eventful - providing a variety of twists and turns during both the Alpine events (downhill) and the Nordic (cross country), despite the unseasonably warm conditions which resulted in icy, fast ski runs.

Sergeant Grant Douglas MacPherson, of the Joint Services Parachute Centre, finished as the best individual men's Alpine skier, winning the individual Alpine combination competition along with victories in the Giant Slalom, Super Giant Slalom and the Downhill.

The Germany-based soldier, who hails from Inverness, was only prevented from achieving a clean sweep in the Alpine discipline by Corporal White of 1 LSR who pushed him into second place in the Slalom.

In the women's Alpine events Lieutenant Collins of 28 Engineer Regiment was declared best individual female, while Captain Fewster of 4th Regiment Royal Artillery won the women's Slalom and Giant Slalom, and Captain Kirkpatrick of 39 Regiment Royal Artillery was the fastest in the Super Giant Slalom and the Downhill.

Staff Sergeant Walker of 1 LSR achieved a clean sweep of prizes in the men's Nordic, winning the individual Nordic combination, the 15km classic and the 10km biathlon sprint, while Sergeant Fowler, also of 1 LSR, emulated that achievement in the women's Nordic with victories in the 10km classic and the 7.5km biathlon sprint, helping her to claim the women's individual Nordic combination title. 1 Medical Regiment won the overall women's team Nordic competition.

Corporal Ian Bishop, of 45 Commando Royal Marines, was presented with a special award for best competitor from the Navy. During his last tour in Afghanistan in February 2009, while on foot patrol near Sangin in Helmand province, he lost both his legs when he was hit by an improvised explosive device. But just a year later he joined the military's Battle Back programme which gives injured personnel the opportunity to take part in Adventurous Training and he is now aiming to compete in the 2014 Winter Paralympics in Russia.

Vice Chairman of the Army Winter Sports Association, Brigadier Richard Dennis, described Exercise Pipedown as 'physically and mentally demanding'.

He said:

"It showcases adventure training in its true sense, bringing out courage and determination in the competitors.


A Service skier taking part in Exercise Pipedown
[Picture: Sergeant Mark Nesbit RLC, Crown Copyright/MOD 2011]


"It is part of the wider winter programme of sports and adventure training the Army provides to give soldiers the chance to take part in all seven of the main winter sports, including Alpine and Nordic skiing, telemark, snowboarding, bobsleigh, luge and skeleton.

"The number of novice skiers here is extremely encouraging, and I would say to any military personnel thinking of having a go to ask their superiors to find out more about what the Army Winter Sports Association has to offer.

"You can go from novice to national level. In every Winter Olympics there has been someone who was introduced to the sport in the military."

Major General Adrian Bradshaw, General Officer Commanding 1 (UK) Armoured Division, who presented prizes to all the winners, said organising Adventurous Training opportunities such as Exercise Pipedown is part of the Army fulfilling its military covenant with soldiers.

He explained:

"In these days of intense operational commitments exercises like this give our people a change, which is important for the process of coming down after an operational tour.

"It is incredibly valuable and important, a chance for our people to put their hearts and souls into a different activity, a world away from Afghanistan, maintaining their health and well-being.

"This is a valid military activity which develops all the traits we expect soldiers to have on operations such as good marksmanship, fitness, co-ordination, teamwork, leadership and organisation, courage, boldness and co-operation - but Pipedown is also a chance for soldiers to enjoy themselves. The Army promises a life of adventure and opportunity. This is one of those opportunities."

Exercise Pipedown took place between Sunday 9 and Monday 17 January 2011
 

Goatman

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#17
Anyone out there with an Instructors ticket who may be able to help out ?

SKI INSTRUCTOR REQUIREMENT

Leeds UOTC are undertaking a ski trip to Italy on 2 – 10 Apr 2011. There is a requirement for ski instructors with the minimum qualification of Joint Service Ski Instructor (Alpine). For further information contact WO1 (RSM) by email at LEEDOTC-RSM@MOD.UK or telephone 94771 8621.
 
#18
RESORT: Seefeld

COMMENT/LESSONS IDENTIFIED: Hotel Tyrol - cheap, room OK, food indifferent, understaffed - has obviously seen better days. Hotel Helga - expensive but good in all respects, though only three stars as does not have stuff like a pool.

Skiing - we are old and fat and prefer not to fall over, so keen on blue runs. Lots of these including several accessible from the centre of the village. Lots of other winter stuff like skating and langlauf

Flights - most of the operators go to this place, it would seem. Great advantage is it's only about 30 mins from Innsbruck
 

Goatman

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#19
RESORT: Seefeld

COMMENT/LESSONS IDENTIFIED: Hotel Tyrol - cheap, room OK, food indifferent, understaffed - has obviously seen better days. Hotel Helga - expensive but good in all respects, though only three stars as does not have stuff like a pool.

Skiing - we are old and fat and prefer not to fall over, so keen on blue runs. Lots of these including several accessible from the centre of the village. Lots of other winter stuff like skating and langlauf

Flights - most of the operators go to this place, it would seem. Great advantage is it's only about 30 mins from Innsbruck
Thanks Vasco ,

when I was booking my trip the travel agent kept sending me stuff about Seefeld, which I have to say made me think they had loads of spaces which they were keen to get shot of.....from your dit it sounds great for the less madcap skiier who wants something comfortable rather than challenging?

and I'm guessing the snow was okay if not actually higher than the car roof ? Any pics appreciated.

Goats
 
#20
If you can afford both the time and the money, the best place to be at the moment must be Whistler:

Whistler Blackcomb - Official Ski Resort Website - Whistler, BC, Canada

In the last week, another 24 inches of snow has fallen which adds up to almost 600 inches of snow this season. The mountain is still at -8C and they have extended the season on Blackcombe until the end of May!

The mountains are suitable for powder buffs and head-bangers and the variety will keep a medium skier busy for two weeks or more. However, I would not recommend it for a complete beginner unless they are prepared to pay for instruction all day. However, the green pistes are smooth, wide and reasonably shallow.

Vancouver is 10hrs from LHR and the transfer time is 90-120 minutes.

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