arrse kissing promotion chasers!!!!!!!!

#1
gentlemen........its time to name those individuals :twisted: who you think has, or is still puckerin up to the "promotional star fish" which is the chain of command. who in your eyes is up to no good, trying their best career laughs in the rite places to get a lift up .........dont be shy gents??????? :threaten:
 
#2
nearly every senior N.C.O,its a subject that really pisses me off,as they get promoted by how much dick sucking they do rather than how good they are at a job,i have more battlefield awareness in my big toe that some corporals taking out patrols,
 
#3
Goty turned down for promotion did we? In whose opinion , other than your own, do you know more than "some corporals". What amuses me is the complete ignoring of the fact that SNCOs (and Cpls) have worked their way to where they are. There probably are a few tosspots but in the main men are promoted on how good they are....................not on how good they say they are,
 
#4
This is an unfortunate hang up from the Tory parties royal shafting of the army back in '91 they called "options for change"

The change they opted for was to cull all the experience full screws, lance jacks and sergeants from the mob, leaving a power vacumn to be filled by an inrushing tide of inexperienced "thrusters" who's idea of a good career move was a posting to training regiments rather than serving some time in a knocker troop to get their skills up to speed.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good lads get promoted, always was, always will be but with all the targets imposed for being somewhere by a certain stage in your career it just promotes the cult of the "yes man"...

who are you going to promote to sergeant?

The malleable but slightly wet bloke who will do whatever you say, no questions, and because of this the blokes call him "jellyfish" behind his back

Or the 16 year full screw who knows combat engineering like its tattoed on his eylids, but isnt afraid to say "get f ucked staff thats a bone job" occasionally? and the lads love and would follow into a burning building
 
#5
shortfuse said:
who are you going to promote to sergeant?

The malleable but slightly wet bloke who will do whatever you say, no questions, and because of this the blokes call him "jellyfish" behind his back

Or the 16 year full screw who knows combat engineering like its tattoed on his eylids, but isnt afraid to say "get f ucked staff thats a bone job" occasionally? and the lads love and would follow into a burning building
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.

If someone tells me what to do - it is because they want me to achieve whatever it is that they have set out - they do not require me to givem them a moutfull of abuse or my opinions as to why it is a "bone job".

I wouldn't want the "jellyfish" either - but there are ways and means of getting the point across, and saying "get f*cked" is not perhaps they best way.
 
#6
Good point well made Sammy, you'll excuse my using extremes to demonstrate a point I hope.

It's a fact of life that in all walks of life a certain ammount of arse kissers will float to the top, but it is also a fact of life, that people lower down the chain will assume anyone who's good at his job and gets on, must have kissed someones arse to get there....

I've always found that the former tend to get found out pretty quickly, and while it doesnt always put the brakes on their careers, lets say certain avenues are blocked to them.

The only exception to this rule is women, who are all whores and fucked their bosses, their bosses bosses, and the bloke who fills the vendors to get promotion, because by nature they are devious cunts who need slaying. :)
 
#7
shortfuse said:
The only exception to this rule is women, who are all whores and fucked their bosses, their bosses bosses, and the bloke who fills the vendors to get promotion, because by nature they are devious cunts who need slaying. :)
:lol:
V.Poor

You should be the Unit's EOA.
 
#8
syndrome said:
gentlemen........its time to name those individuals :twisted: who you think has, or is still puckerin up to the "promotional star fish" which is the chain of command. who in your eyes is up to no good, trying their best career laughs in the rite places to get a lift up .........dont be shy gents??????? :threaten:
a certain wo2 that may have been in antrim at the same time as us by chance ????
 
#9
Sammy The Cat said:
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.
sammy i am afraid that is sh1te, in my opinion.

i know of full screws that were not promoted & the majority of them were due to the fact that they were medically graded LE.

these blokes were still deployable & still doing their job to the best of their abilities.

BUT if you cannot do a sub 9 minute bft these days then you are fecked, regardless of whether their injuries may or may not be attributable to the MOD.
 
#10
Sammy The Cat said:
shortfuse said:
The only exception to this rule is women, who are all whores and fucked their bosses, their bosses bosses, and the bloke who fills the vendors to get promotion, because by nature they are devious cunts who need slaying. :)
:lol:
V.Poor

You should be the Unit's EOA.
Nope, he should be CinC.
 
#11
shortfuse said:
The only exception to this rule is women, who are all whores and fucked their bosses, their bosses bosses, and the bloke who fills the vendors to get promotion, because by nature they are devious cunts who need slaying. :)
harsh but fair.
 
#12
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
Sammy The Cat said:
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.
sammy i am afraid that is sh1te, in my opinion.

i know of full screws that were not promoted & the majority of them were due to the fact that they were medically graded LE.

these blokes were still deployable & still doing their job to the best of their abilities.

BUT if you cannot do a sub 9 minute bft these days then you are fecked, regardless of whether their injuries may or may not be attributable to the MOD.
So these people are not making the quality line unfortunate but its life surely, how many people would whinge if someone who isnt technically qualified gets promoted?
 
#13
MSI64 said:
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
Sammy The Cat said:
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.
sammy i am afraid that is sh1te, in my opinion.

i know of full screws that were not promoted & the majority of them were due to the fact that they were medically graded LE.

these blokes were still deployable & still doing their job to the best of their abilities.

BUT if you cannot do a sub 9 minute bft these days then you are fecked, regardless of whether their injuries may or may not be attributable to the MOD.
So these people are not making the quality line unfortunate but its life surely, how many people would whinge if someone who isnt technically qualified gets promoted?
why are they not making the quality line :? :? :? :?

they are all qualified & ready for promotion, still deploy to telic/herrick & all the other sh1te tours we do BUT because of their medical category keep getting passed over on the promotion boards.

is that not discrimination in this day & age :?: :?: :?: :?:

this has nothing to do with myself by the way.
 
#14
Got a sapper in the troop that amitted to me he 'licks arrse, so when he gets in trouble, he gets let off'.

And it works for him. He claims even though he hasn't passed a PFT in 4 years since training and never been downgraded, he doesn't get hassle. He turns up late for work once every month or so, and he just gets a telling off. He claims it's because it's the little things, like when we were waitering on SGTs mess summer fuction, he insisted to get the 'badges' table, to 'get noticed'.

Needless to say, the next time we were all out in town, I smacked him one, 'because I was the sprog, and he was a senior sapper'. Maybe a sapper 3 years on me, but he's still the same rank as me, but mainly because he's such a c0ck.

However, he can't get on a cardre, so it's likely I'll get on one before him within a year or two. 8)
 
#15
Nightrained said:
However, he can't get on a cardre, so it's likely I'll get on one before him within a year or two. 8)
you sure :? :wink: :? :wink:
 
#16
Sammy The Cat said:
shortfuse said:
who are you going to promote to sergeant?

The malleable but slightly wet bloke who will do whatever you say, no questions, and because of this the blokes call him "jellyfish" behind his back

Or the 16 year full screw who knows combat engineering like its tattoed on his eylids, but isnt afraid to say "get f ucked staff thats a bone job" occasionally? and the lads love and would follow into a burning building
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.

If someone tells me what to do - it is because they want me to achieve whatever it is that they have set out - they do not require me to givem them a moutfull of abuse or my opinions as to why it is a "bone job".

I wouldn't want the "jellyfish" either - but there are ways and means of getting the point across, and saying "get f*cked" is not perhaps they best way.


Right just thought I'd add to this both posters are spot on(ish)
Sadly im an 18 year fullscrew and this boils down to being a horrible spr for over 10 years and I freely admit this as I was (steady knocker) :wink:
However I strive now to provide the Sqn with the best stores for the job in hand and hope that I'll make Sgt on my work and my work alone. (although Ill take the time served as the pension would be nice :D )
Sadly though, sometimes the ramp and deckers will be posted to pass the problem on and normally posted on promotion :x . Im not bitter as i have said it is my own fault, and my new badge has a reggy no lower than mine so it just proves how sad it looks on me. :oops:

Their is a time and place for a well earned get to feck but also time to be a bit more diplomatic about a computor says no response.
ie the bone job, yes it may come from above but it also may be a bone job just to keep the lads busy and he needs telling that its arrse and these blokes go on ops with him and time down is needed a lot more nowadays than ooo look OC my blokes are cleaning down the tank park. AGAIN!!!! :x :x
 
#17
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
Sammy The Cat said:
The guy will be a 16 yr full scew for a reason - if he does make Sgt it will be on time served and nothing else.
sammy i am afraid that is sh1te, in my opinion.

i know of full screws that were not promoted & the majority of them were due to the fact that they were medically graded LE.

these blokes were still deployable & still doing their job to the best of their abilities.

BUT if you cannot do a sub 9 minute bft these days then you are fecked, regardless of whether their injuries may or may not be attributable to the MOD.
Clearly you are entitled to express whatever opinions you choose and I am not seeking to say that you are wrong etc...

But, you yourself have stated that a lot of Cpls you know, have not been promoted because of their medical status - is that not a reason as I previously claimed?

The problems with tendering reasons for non-promotion of a soldier is that such reasons are often opened up to misperception or misconstruing the original statements, sometimes because the non-promoted soldier does not want to hear the truth.

I am not in any way stating that the provebial arrse kisser does not get promoted - that of course happens in all walks of life. What I am claiming is that where soldiers in the Army have not been promoted, it is usually because they are not of the right calibre or quality when compared to their peers, and has very little to do with not being a "yes man".
 
#18
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
why are they not making the quality line :? :? :? :?

they are all qualified & ready for promotion, still deploy to telic/herrick & all the other sh1te tours we do BUT because of their medical category keep getting passed over on the promotion boards.

is that not discrimination in this day & age :?: :?: :?: :?:

this has nothing to do with myself by the way.
Soldiers don't make the quality line because the people that they are graded against are better than they are. It has nothing to do with the individuals performance - in other words, it does not matter how good you are - all that matters is how bad everyone else is.

And, yoiu are correct - it would be discriminatory to not consider someone for promotion on the grounds of the medical category (unless their fitness level was a genuine occupational requirement for the next job/rank). It would not however, be discriminatory not to promote a soldier because he was not as qualified when compared to his peers.

A fine line perhaps - but that is the way it is.
 
#20
Sammy The Cat said:
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
why are they not making the quality line :? :? :? :?

they are all qualified & ready for promotion, still deploy to telic/herrick & all the other sh1te tours we do BUT because of their medical category keep getting passed over on the promotion boards.

is that not discrimination in this day & age :?: :?: :?: :?:

this has nothing to do with myself by the way.
Soldiers don't make the quality line because the people that they are graded against are better than they are. It has nothing to do with the individuals performance - in other words, it does not matter how good you are - all that matters is how bad everyone else is.

And, you are correct - it would be discriminatory to not consider someone for promotion on the grounds of the medical category (unless their fitness level was a genuine occupational requirement for the next job/rank). It would not however, be discriminatory not to promote a soldier because he was not as qualified when compared to his peers.

A fine line perhaps - but that is the way it is.
no primarily it is because they are simply medical category FE.

they do not like to promote down graded personnel regardless of whether they can do their job better than their contemporaries or not.

everyone has seen people promoted & then said how the feck ????

i may be an old, bitter & twisted bar-steward BUT like i said this has nothing to do with me.......... i made my bed & i'll lie in it, until 2009 anyway. :D :D :D :D
 

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