Arrse in press again

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Did someone nominate their blog entry?

Copyright 2005 Newspaper Publishing PLC
Independent on Sunday (London)

October 9, 2005, Sunday

SECTION: First Edition; NEWS; Pg. 14
HEADLINE: BLOG OF THE WEEK

Useful advice for journalists in Iraq from the British Army Rumour Service

I would suggest that anyone having to escort a civilian vehicle brief the driver as follows:

1. If you hear the crack of gunfire near your vehicle, or if you see tracer coming near your vehicle, or your vehicle gets hit but is still driveable, put your foot down hard and drive out.

2. If your vehicle is hit and you are injured, put your foot down hard and try to drive out. Shout for someone else to grab the wheel. Try and stay with your military escort vehicle if it has got out too.

3. If you lose your military escort or they don't get out of the ambush, get back to a friendly location as quickly as possible ... Approach slowly and make sure they know you are neutrals. Tell them everything that has happened.

5. If your vehicle is attacked in an ambush/ contact, get the hell out and get away from the vehicle and into cover as quickly as possible. STAY LOW, MOVE FAST. Your military escort will try to protect you and direct you what to do. If they can't/don't survive, get away as quickly as possible and make your way back on foot to the nearest friendly location/ military unit. Try to avoid contact with locals.

6. Whatever happens do not go towards the people shooting at you ... Use drainage ditches, irrigation channels, walls or anything else to stay out of sight. STAY LOW, MOVE FAST, and don't stop for any reason until you are at least 1km away from the bad place.

From: http://www. arrse.co.uk

Send your suggestions for blog of the week to: iosfocus @independent.co.uk
 
#3
abacus said:
Forgive the dopey question, but how can it be Copyright 2005 Newspaper Publishing PLC Independent on Sunday (London)?
Correct, it should be copyright Bits@commonsense.co.uk

Anyone got a buckshee hard copy, or can someone PM me a link so I can print it out and frame it? I've never been published before! :roll:
 
#4
The article is copyrighted by them - not the source material. It will be applied to all their editorial as a matter of course but in this example they have only added a few words.
 
#5
Bits, can we still be your friends, or will celebrity go to your head? :D
 
#7
I see none of the mong threads made it in the broadsheet though.
 
#9
PartTimePongo said:
Bits, can we still be your friends, or will celebrity go to your head? :D
I think the only thing going to my head at the moment is anonymity. I think I'm going to keep my head below the proverbial parapet from now on. I ought really to have PM'd that advice to warcorro. If any journo is reading this, Plant_Pilot's comments about 'reading this and thinking you know it all' very strongly apply.

I'm concerned that the article might bring yet more journalists to this site, which would be a very unfortunate thing because we would all have to be a lot more careful about what we say (my post was in Training Wing FFS!). Iit would inevitably make PTP's job of moderating the Current Affairs Forum even less enviable that is is already.

If anything I'm rather embarassed and not a little annoyed (with myself).

Persian_kitten said:
Bits - forget the hard copy for the moment and ask them when your cheque will be arriving.
As much as I could use the readies, I am more concerned that our journalist fraternity might start using our site to try and get hints and tips before they go abroad. It is bad enough in Training Wing with the continual barrage of 'boots' questions from mongs who don't know any better, without compounding the problem with journalists wanting advice too.

Sadly I think it may now be necessary to establish each individuals credentials before responding to requests for advice, and giving advice via PM. I know I will be from now on (although I had checked out warcorro and he/she is serving).

PTP - I'd be interested in your thoughts (serious!).
 
#10
Bits, you've changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can now say you're a published author!

Err, my tips for the day

Don't eat yellow snow.

Never phone home when drunk.

If in doubt, cuff it
 
#11
Sadly I think it may now be necessary to establish each individuals credentials before responding to requests for advice, and giving advice via PM. I know I will be from now on (although I had checked out warcorro and he/she is serving).

PTP - I'd be interested in your thoughts (serious!).
It's a difficult one Bits. Personally, I know 3 journalists on National and local Media who are TA soldiers , and good ones too. I would be hesitant to discourage them from attending the site, as it's as much "their's" if you see what I mean.

Actually, on reflection, I think it a good idea to establish the credentials of anyone asking questions in this manner. Journalists, I can assure you, you won't get a "F**k right off" if you do identify yourself by PM to me, and ask for advice. If it doesn't compromise OPSEC and PERSEC, it'll be passed on to QUALIFIED people who can give you tips , but not definitive instruction on survival.

However, I will emphasise, as Bits has done, a list on Arrse is not the definitive advice on personal security for journalists. You can be offered "tips" but they can only be treated as such. The last thing any of us want, is a dreadful incident resulting in burning wreckage and scattered body parts, with one of the remains a disembodied hand clutching "the Arrse guide to survival in the Litter Tray"

Don't MoD run survival courses for journalists? Perhaps Regiments could run a 3 day course, with funds going to the Regimental kitty?
 
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PartTimePongo said:
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Don't MoD run survival courses for journalists? Perhaps Regiments could run a 3 day course, with funds going to the Regimental kitty?

Why should the MoD/mil units run training for journalists ? Their employers should be arranging the required training for them, basic duty of care, surely ? There are plenty of organisations around who develop and deliver this training and preparation.
 
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Goose_Rider said:
PartTimePongo said:
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Don't MoD run survival courses for journalists? Perhaps Regiments could run a 3 day course, with funds going to the Regimental kitty?

Why should the MoD/mil units run training for journalists ? Their employers should be arranging the required training for them, basic duty of care, surely ? There are plenty of organisations around who develop and deliver this training and preparation.
Absolutely right! How on earth are private military companies going to make enormous wedges if the Army gets in on the deal??
 
#14
Cuddles said:
Goose_Rider said:
PartTimePongo said:
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Don't MoD run survival courses for journalists? Perhaps Regiments could run a 3 day course, with funds going to the Regimental kitty?

Why should the MoD/mil units run training for journalists ? Their employers should be arranging the required training for them, basic duty of care, surely ? There are plenty of organisations around who develop and deliver this training and preparation.
Absolutely right! How on earth are private military companies going to make enormous wedges if the Army gets in on the deal??
Private security companies doing physical security surveys in UK might be losing out soon. From what I've heard, the security and robustness of british industry is so important, that a police organisation/task force thingy has been set up to do surveys for industry at no cost :lol:

however, this could be rumour mill out of control- Veg, have you heard anything about this?
 
#15
Bang-on Cuddles !! 8)

I remember being told by a journo (ex-forces offr) during pre-deployment briefing (90's Balkans) something along the lines of:

'When the shite starts flying around, grab the journos and get them in the back of your armoured vehicle and get them out of there'

My instant response was something along the lines of:

Our job starts when the shite starts flying around, do you seriously expect me to hang about and risk the welfare of my blokes and the outcome of the task to make sure you lot are OK when you have put yourself in a dangerous position to further your own career by getting that front-page shot ?

He didn't like it one bit. What really gripped me though, was when he actually ordered us in the briefing to do this, when he should have been asking us a favour. At the time, we'd have been happy to go along with this request, but being told to by a civvy was too much for me.

Obviously this was before the current situation of 'embeds', private security and all that good stuff, the industry is much more diverse now. Back then it was more of a case of 'he's a Brit journo, he's friendly forces, ponce a cabby on his sat-comms to call home and we'll return the favour with a brew and some protection if it gets noisy' Piers Morgan et al can tell you why this relationship has now changed.
 
#16
I'm particularly fond of the way a particular northern English regiment dealt with the journos in early 90s in Bosnia. Every time there was a bad story printed about the battalion one of the print journos would 'lose' a shoe when they were in the shower, likewise a poor tv story would mean a cameraman or talking head would 'lose' one of their shoes when they were in the shower. Apparently there was a pile of shoes visible after a while in teh middle of the nearest minefield. Only a British soldier would nick just one shoe because it is more annoying than nicking two!
 
#17
barbs said:
I'm particularly fond of the way a particular northern English regiment dealt with the journos in early 90s in Bosnia. Every time there was a bad story printed about the battalion one of the print journos would 'lose' a shoe when they were in the shower, likewise a poor tv story would mean a cameraman or talking head would 'lose' one of their shoes when they were in the shower. Apparently there was a pile of shoes visible after a while in teh middle of the nearest minefield. Only a British soldier would nick just one shoe because it is more annoying than nicking two!
Or the TV cameraman who thought he'd do his bit for the lads morale by taping some quality euro porn with his camera from the comfort of his hotel in Zagreb. Much appreciated until they saw the reflection of him on the tv screen banging one out on the bed :8O:
 
#18
Yes News agencies have a duty of care, so they can approach the best qualified people for the job to ensure the best possible training.

That would be us.

3 days training at less than PMC's would do it for , the chance of a bit of background as well, chances for Regiments to get a bit of positive PR in before the off , and a tidy sum for the OR's Crimbo shennanigans.

It's a deal it's a steal etc etc.

Would it be up to CO's , or would the MoD want the money paying to them?
 
#19
PartTimePongo said:
Would it be up to CO's , or would the MoD want the money paying to them?
Don't be daft PTP. Do you think the MoD would turn down the money-making potential if they got a sniff? CO's would be very sensible to keep it quiet, at least beforehand. It is easier to beg forgiveness than it is to seek permission.

Oh, the phone's ringing. "Reuters? Seven? Next week? Three grand! You're on!" :D
 
#20
Don't forget to pay your SNCO's off Bits. Whole shebang will run itself very nicely then, you take the cream off the top oooooops I meant purchase some adventure training gubbins :D
 
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