Arrest And Restraint

#2
why?

the rmp do the course as do the army school of phys training.

why?
 
#3
It is also part of some pre-theatre training. Also sometimes done at unit level for PT.
 
#4
Smithy97 said:
Hey guys i wanted to know what units do the Arrest And Restraint course , is it just infantry and RMP ? or do all units cover it ?
This thread is ident to another on a different web forum. Coincidence?

It was posted by a cadet whose det had been visited by what may have been a walt, and was showing them A&R including quick cuffs and asp?

Apparently the person doing the instruction, was/is a L/Cpl pos R Sigs

All sounds very dodgy
 
#5
It is not done on pre deployment training as the 'Military Police' do the Civvy Police qualification. PT Corps do not do the Police course. Pre deployment packages are not A&R they are taught to detain and plasti cuff. Soldiers on Ops abroad can carry a baton and plasticuffs but the baton is not allowed to be brought back to the UK as it is an offensive weapon. The only indiviuals permitted and traind to carry a baton within the UK are the Military Police (RMP/RNP/RAFP) This is not an opinion this is English Law and MOD policy.

Any ideas how I know this ???????
 

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#7
When did the rules change then?

I did the A+R instructors course at Bulford in 1995. It's still on my records as an instructional qualification, however I haven't taken a lesson for about 7 years and wouldn't dream of doing so as I can't remember a fifth of it. And yes, baton techniques were part of it.

And I'm neither Inf or APTC.
 
#8
I did that one but thought it changed to another title to do with Public order
 
#10
crazy-copper said:
It is not done on pre deployment training as the 'Military Police' do the Civvy Police qualification. PT Corps do not do the Police course. Pre deployment packages are not A&R they are taught to detain and plasti cuff. Soldiers on Ops abroad can carry a baton and plasticuffs but the baton is not allowed to be brought back to the UK as it is an offensive weapon. The only indiviuals permitted and traind to carry a baton within the UK are the Military Police (RMP/RNP/RAFP) This is not an opinion this is English Law and MOD policy.

Any ideas how I know this ???????
Well, your Avitar says 'MP' are you a member of parliment?
 
#11
Yes!
 
#12
crazy-copper said:
It is not done on pre deployment training as the 'Military Police' do the Civvy Police qualification. PT Corps do not do the Police course. Pre deployment packages are not A&R they are taught to detain and plasti cuff. Soldiers on Ops abroad can carry a baton and plasticuffs but the baton is not allowed to be brought back to the UK as it is an offensive weapon. The only indiviuals permitted and traind to carry a baton within the UK are the Military Police (RMP/RNP/RAFP) This is not an opinion this is English Law and MOD policy.

Any ideas how I know this ???????
I bet you're a laugh on a night out when you discuss the finer points of moving traffic offences.
 
#13
No all Police (only Service Police not RP) do the Civvy Police course (ACPO/Home Office) because they carry batons and cuffs on UK streets, and potentially could baton or arrest a civvy, it's all to do with liability. The Public Order qual is a different thing and was aimed at places like NI, the PTI school does thier own thing but the only qualified people in the ACPO course are Military Police of any Service.

Batons are offensive weapons so being caught with one if your in a public place (inc in your car) means you will be arrested, unless you carry a warrant card (civvy or Mil)
 
#14
Closet_Jibber said:
crazy-copper said:
It is not done on pre deployment training as the 'Military Police' do the Civvy Police qualification. PT Corps do not do the Police course. Pre deployment packages are not A&R they are taught to detain and plasti cuff. Soldiers on Ops abroad can carry a baton and plasticuffs but the baton is not allowed to be brought back to the UK as it is an offensive weapon. The only indiviuals permitted and traind to carry a baton within the UK are the Military Police (RMP/RNP/RAFP) This is not an opinion this is English Law and MOD policy.

Any ideas how I know this ???????
I bet you're a laugh on a night out when you discuss the finer points of moving traffic offences.
Asked a question got an answer, what you after a joke?
And to clarify I really don't care about pish offences, I leave that to the idiots among us...
 
#15
crazy-copper said:
Batons are offensive weapons so being caught with one if your in a public place (inc in your car) means you will be arrested, unless you carry a warrant card (civvy or Mil)
Try again. Just being a bobby doesn't give you a right to have one in your possession.

The law doesn't change because you have a warrant card. You still need a legitimate reason just like every other git.
 
#16
jinxy said:
crazy-copper said:
It is not done on pre deployment training as the 'Military Police' do the Civvy Police qualification. PT Corps do not do the Police course. Pre deployment packages are not A&R they are taught to detain and plasti cuff. Soldiers on Ops abroad can carry a baton and plasticuffs but the baton is not allowed to be brought back to the UK as it is an offensive weapon. The only indiviuals permitted and traind to carry a baton within the UK are the Military Police (RMP/RNP/RAFP) This is not an opinion this is English Law and MOD policy.

Any ideas how I know this ???????
Well, your Avitar says 'MP' are you a member of parliment?
No but if I can claim for a pool and a second home I will take the job.
 
#17
crazy-copper said:
No all Police (only Service Police not RP) do the Civvy Police course (ACPO/Home Office) because they carry batons and cuffs on UK streets, and potentially could baton or arrest a civvy, it's all to do with liability.
So, if they baton and arrest a squaddie, they can do whatever they want?
 
#18
Deleted due to distinct recollection of no sense of humour on posted subject.
 
#19
flamingo said:
crazy-copper said:
No all Police (only Service Police not RP) do the Civvy Police course (ACPO/Home Office) because they carry batons and cuffs on UK streets, and potentially could baton or arrest a civvy, it's all to do with liability.
So, if they baton and arrest a squaddie, they can do whatever they want?
No not at all, you will find that the MOD is much stricter on the Military Police with regards to use of force than the civvy Police are, we get investigated quite often, but its a occupation that attracts complaints, we don't go around arresting well behaved people do we.

The Military cannot be seen to be beating up civvy's makes for bad press and recruitment, so on the occasion we do we have to be seen to be as equally quallifed as a civvy Policeman/woman.
 
#20
Immigration officers carry cuffs and a baton and they aren't rozzers!
 

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