Army WO3s and RAF WO1s

Should a mod not be splitting this saga into a separate 'John G v The World' thread? I almost want the Army/RAF WO discussion back - almost.
Your version of 'the world' must be a bit sad.

I'd suggest its JG vs the same sad slack handful whose noses I've put out of joint when they either tried to big themselves up and do others down (The Duke,) or have been taken over by the green-eyed monster, or both (Danny D, etc), or when they were caught out telling massive porkies about themselves (P K), or both (bobthewalt) plus dingerr who seems to have lost his marbles recently, who follow me round asking about my school, my ops, my sex life, even my family. Bizarre. Hardly 'the world'.

Edit: nearly forgot the brain dead who while busy demonstrating their knowledge of NI don't know what 'the province' refers to (Joker62).
 
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Well, bobthewalt, this is what you posted, isn't it?... and taking each in turn they are all evidently wrong, aren't they?
Wrong'. Your own Ice Maiden (2000) included skiing; the more recent Ice Maiden (2018 ) included skiing; River Rover was by hovercraft; Gulley Heights was abseiling. All well documented (except yours, which was yours after all) so no need to even mention Jnr Sldr mandated AT or any other expeds.,Wrong. The funding breakdown was recommended as a guideline not mandated as a rule and was shown conclusively to be wrong when you made the same claim in another thread, with a string of specifics and it's contradicted by the examples above (Ice Maiden, Gulley Heights, etc) where the accounts are either available or it's clear that participants would never have paid anywhere near 1/3 of the full costs, including in your own Ice Maiden. Wrong. Even though you subsequently insisted that it could not have happened 'in my time' "beyond any shadow of a doubt". Not only have a number of posters here contradicted this from their personal experience but it's also contradicted by a number of verifiable expeds such as Gulley Heights.Wrong. As a general rule, yes, but if justified or to meet exped aims civilians can take part. Gulley Heights is a verifiable example (although the civilians approved and asked declined to take part). Wrong. Both Gulley Heights and Ice Maiden (2018 ) were applied for as "the first".Wrong. Neither Ice Maiden had a formation indicator (your own was named after a boat), norcdid Gulley Heights (all easily verifiable) or countless others.

Wrong on all counts. That's a little sad since you made such a big deal about those points all showing my own supposed lack of knowledge, etc.
The thing is John, I don’t hold knowledge of regulations that affected what I did 15-30 years ago to be very important. In fact, itheyre utterly irrelevant to anyone but you.

Arrse provides an amusing interlude in an otherwise very busy life. I’d be quite happy to chat amicably about much of what goes on here, because it’s basically lantern swinging.

But it’s not your way. Rather you look for the smallest error and then pick away around it until you can score your victory. It’s pretty fucking sad really. I can only assume that you behave like this because you have sown sort of inferiority complex.

Not surprising really. I mean, what are your contemporaries doing? Let’s face it John you’ve achieved fuck all in life despite a highly privileged education.
 
The thing is John, I don’t hold knowledge of regulations that affected what I did 15-30 years ago to be very important. In fact, itheyre utterly irrelevant to anyone but you.
Well, that's obviously not true is it, bobthewalt?

After all, you were the one who made the post citing those rules and saying how important they were - not me.

... and saying how significant my supposed ignorance of them was.

Here's your post including the first line (I've put it in bold for you) which I'd ommitted as I thought it was irrelevant - obviously you think it's very relevant, particularly to you:
I doubt you ever organised any AT; had you done so, you’d remember the basics of the rules. Limited to the 6 or 8 allowed activities (memory fade, but not skiing) , funded 1/3rd public, 1/3rd non-public and 1/3rd individual contributions, adult, regular service personnel only, no civilians except guides, no competitive element, cleared on an ATFA through Divisional HQ with a formation indicator (TRIANGLE / DIAMOND etc) and then staffed onwards to LAND and MoD if Level 1.
That is your post, isn't it?
 
Well, that's obviously not true is it, bobthewalt?

After all, you were the one who made the post citing those rules and saying how important they were - not me.

... and saying how significant my supposed ignorance of them was.

Here's your post including the first line (I've put it in bold for you) which I'd ommitted as I thought it was irrelevant - obviously you think it's very relevant, particularly to you: That is your post, isn't it?
Of course it is you fucking buffoon. I’ve been playing you for months. It’s not hard.
 
But it’s not your way. Rather you look for the smallest error and then pick away around it until you can score your victory. It’s pretty ******* sad really. I can only assume that you behave like this because you have sown sort of inferiority complex.
No, bobthewalt, I just notice when people big themselves up (not many) or tell bizarre porkies about themselves (not many) or both (even less) then I finally get bored and point out that what they're saying's wrong.

Then if for some reason they challenge me on the basis I haven't been to the right school, done any ops, got any bling, have been passed over, aren't qualified to comment, etc, then and only then do I point out a few salient and easily verifiable facts about me and about them.

This upsets a few people (you, the Duke, Danny D, etc), either because the green-eyed monster's got to them or because they've made themselves look like a plonker so they follow me round trying to score points about my school, promotions, etc, then they switch to my supposed sex life based on nothing more than where I live.

That's what's sad, Bob.

Particularly when they accuse me of belittling others to big myself up or being a racist or some such but then they can't produce a single post between them to back it up.

If you can't handle it, don't start it and don't ask.
 
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I mean, what are your contemporaries doing? Let’s face it John you’ve achieved **** all in life despite a highly privileged education.
You mean my contemporaries from school?

A bizarre question, even for you.

Of those I know of just from my house:
  • One succeeded his father as recently deposed absolute monarch then died in a traffic accident two years later.
  • One, his cousin, succeeded him, became a monk, and lives in exile.
  • One became a self-made fast-food billionaire.
  • One became a male model.
  • One opened a London disco and is best known for his car number plates (TWINK 1 and TWINK 2).
  • Two, who inherited large estates (one in England, one in Scotland), are sitting Tory MPs.
  • One became Lord Mayor of London.
  • One had doctorates from both Oxford and Cambridge, was a Dean of two Cambridge colleges, an FSA, and is an anglo-catholic vicar.
  • One, from one of Scotland's oldest and wealthiest families and IIRC an Oxbridge double blue, commited suicide in his twenties after being arrested for drugs in the US.
  • One's a very well known sculptor and artist.
  • One, the son of a very senior cabinet minister, became a heroin addict and commited suicide, destitute, in his 40's.
Bit of a mixed bag.
 
You mean my contemporaries from school?

A bizarre question, even for you.

Of those I know of just from my house:
  • One succeeded his father as recently deposed absolute monarch then died in a traffic accident two years later.
  • One, his cousin, succeeded him, became a monk, and lives in exile.
  • One became a self-made fast-food billionaire.
  • One became a male model.
  • One opened a London disco and is best known for his car number plates (TWINK 1 and TWINK 2).
  • Two, who inherited large estates (one in England, one in Scotland), are sitting Tory MPs.
  • One became Lord Mayor of London.
  • One had doctorates from both Oxford and Cambridge, was a Dean of two Cambridge colleges, an FSA, and is an anglo-catholic vicar.
  • One, from one of Scotland's oldest and wealthiest families and IIRC an Oxbridge double blue, commited suicide in his twenties after being arrested for drugs in the US.
  • One's a very well known sculptor and artist.
  • One, the son of a very senior cabinet minister, became a heroin addict and commited suicide, destitute, in his 40's.
Bit of a mixed bag.
One left the UK after a mediocre stint in the British Army to reside in Thailand.

.....and fuck young males.
 
Your version of 'the world' must be a bit sad.

I'd suggest its JG vs the same sad slack handful whose noses I've put out of joint when they either tried to big themselves up and do others down (The Duke,) or have been taken over by the green-eyed monster, or both (Danny D, etc), or when they were caught out telling massive porkies about themselves (P K), or both (bobthewalt) plus dingerr who seems to have lost his marbles recently, who follow me round asking about my school, my ops, my sex life, even my family. Bizarre. Hardly 'the world'.

Edit: nearly forgot the brain dead who while busy demonstrating their knowledge of NI don't know what 'the province' refers to (Joker62).
I've followed this thread and do find the actions of some quite bizarre, particularly those who have limited knowledge of legacy issues who seek to criticise those that went before them. Many of the issues you've raised I recognise to be factually correct.
 
I've followed this thread and do find the actions of some quite bizarre, particularly those who have limited knowledge of legacy issues who seek to criticise those that went before them. Many of the issues you've raised I recognise to be factually correct.
Quite right. I served from 1978-89 and recollect much of the scene that John sets. The culture was very different I think, because the Army didn’t have a
written code of values. It was all about the quality of leadership. I always found officers from the best public schools set exemplary standards.
 
You mean my contemporaries from school?

A bizarre question, even for you.

Of those I know of just from my house:
  • One succeeded his father as recently deposed absolute monarch then died in a traffic accident two years later.
  • One, his cousin, succeeded him, became a monk, and lives in exile.
  • One became a self-made fast-food billionaire.
  • One became a male model.
  • One opened a London disco and is best known for his car number plates (TWINK 1 and TWINK 2).
  • Two, who inherited large estates (one in England, one in Scotland), are sitting Tory MPs.
  • One became Lord Mayor of London.
  • One had doctorates from both Oxford and Cambridge, was a Dean of two Cambridge colleges, an FSA, and is an anglo-catholic vicar.
  • One, from one of Scotland's oldest and wealthiest families and IIRC an Oxbridge double blue, commited suicide in his twenties after being arrested for drugs in the US.
  • One's a very well known sculptor and artist.
  • One, the son of a very senior cabinet minister, became a heroin addict and commited suicide, destitute, in his 40's.
Bit of a mixed bag.
Not bizarre at all John. You arrogantly sit in judgement over everyone who engages with you here. Yet you appear to have achieved fuck all beyond being made redundant from the Army, despite having the benefit of one of the most privileged educations around.
 
Never heard of it.
Yet, like others and equally vocally, you're perfectly happy to pontificate about it. No reason why you should have known as it was before your time but that doesn't excuse you're condemning as "fantasy" something you obviously know nothing about.
I suspect it was drawn down. There is (or was) the Specialist Weapons School at Warminster. In my time at Warminster the only authorised Milan firings were for the Weapons Effect Demonstration and SF. Other than that Milan in the UK was Warcop, Brecon, Otterburn and Cape Wrath.
It was a separate part of Sch Inf, at Netheravon, until 1995 when it was moved to Warminster as part of LWS after nearly fifty years, becoming the SWS.

All support weapons trg ( a/tk and mors) was run there, as well as Surveillance Div (COP and 14 Int), including the first 17 years of Milan trg for Pl Comds, 2ics, Sect Comds and DCs all of whom routinely fired Milan on at least one LFBL. The only time Milan LF was changed on any cse was when INLA bombed SWW, taking out part of the SASC duty accommodation, when the LF still continued due to the pre-arranged additional clearances and cover required.

Ignorance doesn't excuse stupidity.
 
Yet, like others and equally vocally, you're perfectly happy to pontificate about it. No reason why you should have known as it was before your time but that doesn't excuse you're condemning as "fantasy" something you obviously know nothing about.
It was a separate part of Sch Inf, at Netheravon, until 1995 when it was moved to Warminster as part of LWS after nearly fifty years, becoming the SWS.

All support weapons trg ( a/tk and mors) was run there, as well as Surveillance Div (COP and 14 Int), including the first 17 years of Milan trg for Pl Comds, 2ics, Sect Comds and DCs all of whom routinely fired Milan on at least one LFBL. The only time Milan LF was changed on any cse was when INLA bombed SWW, taking out part of the SASC duty accommodation, when the LF still continued due to the pre-arranged additional clearances and cover required.

Ignorance doesn't excuse stupidity.
Does anyone but you give a fuck? Ancient history.
 

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