Army WO3s and RAF WO1s

The 84mm Prac was used against suspect vehicles in NI.

120mm Tk Prac was used in Iraq to take out suspect firing points, whilst trying to reduce collateral damage.
 
2 years as an SPSI supported by a Milan PSI and a Mor PSI.
Aaah ... the penny drops. Farmed out to run ranges for the TA, with a chip on your shoulder because you never made it in the Regular Army. I'm sure they were impressed.
You do realise that SPSI is / was a WO2 post / appointment.

I had already '' Made it '' as you call it, before being posted to the TA.

It was not I that was SLNR'd on phase 2 options for change, ya belter. Is that the reason you are all over these threads like a dose of the clap, trying to prove how good you are ( at searching google ) because after all these years you are still angry and Butthurt that you got papped for being shit.

You sad creature.
 
You’re a know nothing moron, how can you possibly know that?
His selective memory / selective intererest?

He doesn't appear to know if ATOs attended all Milan range firings or if Milan pl comds blew any blinds and were taught to do so on their cses; as the SME on both I'd have thought he might.

(or maybe being objective and having to agree with me is expecting too much).

Waiting with interest for P K's informed view of the reasons why an ATO wouldn't be on the range, as he's an SME too ...
 
You do realise that SPSI is / was a WO2 post / appointment.

I had already '' Made it '' as you call it, before being posted to the TA.

It was not I that was SLNR'd on phase 2 options for change, ya belter. Is that the reason you are all over these threads like a dose of the clap, trying to prove how good you are ( at searching google ) because after all these years you are still angry and Butthurt that you got papped for being shit.

You sad creature.
Ummm ... yes.

You do realise that officers can't be SNLR'd?

That being an SPSI with the TA as the pinnacle of their career isn't a job for WO2s who've made it in their bns?

That I don't need to prove how "good" I was as otherwise I wouldn't have worn the rank I have or done the jobs I did, which is why I never raise the point unless asked?

That despite the 'Walt' comments my 'time' has been confirmed rather a lot?

That your not knowing about the 'accommodation' in Basra and then launching into a rant is about as dim as it comes, particularly when I put it in inverted commas?

That my making a passing reference to a different range pam as 'Shoot To Kill' when I haven't used either for over 40 years isn't really a big deal, so your making it one is actually quite a compliment?

That you also inadvertantly referred to Pam 21 as Shoot to Kill but when it was the subject of discussion which, if doing so makes me uninformed, puts you in a different league of ignorance??

That ATOs are always present when Milan's fired on a range as it's a range requirement, so detailed in the same Pam21 you've claimed to be an SME on but evidently aren't?

That every time you make a post the only thing you prove is just how little you know and how much the Army's had to scrape the bottom of the barrel?

Evidently not .....
 
You should try Google. You too could become a Google-fu of international repute.
Works for me! :salut:

I've never managed to work out quite what this aversion is to checking things ... using the board's excellent search engine saves you having to fantasise about posts too, but some posters, most notably in this thread, prefer the fantasy.
 
Works for me! :salut:

I've never managed to work out quite what this aversion is to checking things ... using the board's excellent search engine saves you having to fantasise about posts too, but some posters, most notably in this thread, prefer the fantasy.
Provided its an authoritative source, properly referenced etc etc. I have to say I tend to “live in the moment” on here and I suspect most of us do. More idle pub chat than prepared business meeting if you get what I mean. You are probably in a minority looking back over old posts. Nothing wrong with that....
 
You do realise that officers can't be SNLR'd?
Call it whatever fancy words you like. It equates to the same thing '' F@cked Off at the high port ''

Option for change Phase 2. You know the one, allegedly.

1. There were people who applied for redundancy and were accepted.

2. There were people who applied and were rejected.

3. There were people who did not apply and were made redundant.

In all cases ( certainly in my Battalion ) All those that were given redundancy had reached their ceiling.

Point 3, no matter what name you want to give it, it was SNLR'd under the guise of options for change.

That being an SPSI with the TA as the pinnacle of their career isn't a job for WO2s who've made it in their bns?
What does '' Made it '' mean ? Who said it was the '' Pinnacle '' of my career ?

Not only are you a belter. You are a belter that appears to invent things. Like your career for starters.

'77 - 92/3 belter. Tell us all about those 6 Operational Theatres that you claim to have been in during that time.

To start you off, I will give you:

1. NI
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

Go for Gold belter. Destroy yourself.
 
Call it whatever fancy words you like. It equates to the same thing '' F@cked Off at the high port ''

Option for change Phase 2. You know the one, allegedly.

1. There were people who applied for redundancy and were accepted.

2. There were people who applied and were rejected.

3. There were people who did not apply and were made redundant.

In all cases ( certainly in my Battalion ) All those that were given redundancy had reached their ceiling.
Not often I come to @John G s defence, but it’s simply not true to suggest that he or a large number of other Majors who were made redundant had reached their ceiling.

From what John has told us, he would have been at least four years from being looked at for promotion to Lt Col and realistically probably further from actually being competitive. He didn’t even test his ceiling.

The Army wide average for promotion to Lt Col under age related terms was around 42. IIRC the infantry was one of the later promoters for those without a staff ticket, because there were no specialisms to go into. I could name multiple good quality Majors who took redundancy as opportunities closed. With hindsight I should perhaps have done the so.......it was an attractive package.

The officer promotion structure was quite different from that for soldiers, particularly at Major where it was quite possible to spend ten years. If, like John & I, you got acting rank early, you could be ten years before even filtering in to the board. (I was a Major for 12 years and still promoted to Lt Col ahead of the Army average).

If John has been ten years older when he took redundancy, he would have been passed over, but not hit his ceiling even then. IIRC last look was 47.
 
Not often I come to @John G s defence, but it’s simply not true to suggest that he or a large number of other Majors who were made redundant had reached their ceiling.
That would have been a fair point if it was something that I had suggested or written.

1. There were people who applied for redundancy and were accepted.

2. There were people who applied and were rejected.

3. There were people who did not apply and were made redundant.

In all cases ( certainly in my Battalion ) All those that were given redundancy had reached their ceiling.

Point 3, no matter what name you want to give it, it was SNLR'd under the guise of options for change.
I did not mention John or indeed any other Majors. I specifically specified what had occurred with phase 2 Options for Change within my Battalion.
 
That would have been a fair point if it was something that I had suggested or written.



I did not mention John or indeed any other Majors. I specifically specified what had occurred with phase 2 Options for Change within my Battalion.
No, you were emphatic; you said “in all cases”. Sure you qualified it with “certainly in my battalion”, but your implication was pretty clear, that all redundees had reached their ceiling. That certainly wasn’t true in all cases and probably wasn’t true of your battalion either. Not if Majors were made redundant, which would undoubtedly be the case.

I too am waiting for the other five operational theatres in which he served.
 
No, you were emphatic; you said “in all cases”. Sure you qualified it with “certainly in my battalion”, but your implication was pretty clear, that all redundees had reached their ceiling.
Badly worded on my behalf.

Let me clarify. Phase 2, options for change, all those who were given redundancy from my Battalion had reached their ceiling.

Hence these points

1. There were people who applied for redundancy and were accepted.

2. There were people who applied and were rejected.

3. There were people who did not apply and were made redundant.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this also happened across other Battalions, speculation on my part only. Although it makes complete sense when you factor in the ongoing and upcoming amalgamations. A great opportunity to weed out the weak. A win - win for both sides. Weed out the weak and the weak get to claim Redundancy rather than SNLR'd / Booted.

In John G's particular case, my take on it only. If he truly was farmed out 4 or 5 times to Operational Theatres on LS / MAO that suggests to me that he was being kept out of the way, which does not suggest that he had great career prospects.

I am coming around to the idea that John G is confusing Operational Theatres with Operating Theatres.
 
n all cases ( certainly in my Battalion ) All those that were given redundancy had reached their ceiling.
Wow. So you know all about the several thousand who got redundancy? Including their potential for promotion?

Actually perfectly possible for those 'in your bn' as the number of offrs actually with the bn at the time would have been minimal, but unlikely to apply to DE Majors as nearly all were probably PSC and at least eligible for promotion, but otherwise yet another example of you displaying your ignorance and a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
That would have been a fair point if it was something that I had suggested or written.

I did not mention John or indeed any other Majors. I specifically specified what had occurred with phase 2 Options for Change within my Battalion.
So although you quoted me and said 'you', and you said (your bold) " in all cases ( certainly in my Battalion ) All those that were given redundancy had reached their ceiling" you hadn't "suggested or written" that but something else?

You stupid little turd. You don't even know what you've written youself.
What does '' Made it '' mean ?
Glass houses and all that. In this instance, rather obviously, reached the maximum rank / held the most senior post possible for their length of service.

In my case at least sub Major, at the first point, been an OC at RD, possibly (albeit unlikely) held higher acting or at least local rank, possibly (albeit unlikely) been a major unit 2ic, etc. Yup, ticked all those boxes.

In your case at least WO1 and RSM, preferably at RD, possibly LE commission. Oh dear.

As an SPSI with TA, held the post as a flyer, possibly after instructing at Sch Inf / RMAS, to gain seniority before CSM, TQ, RQ, RSM and an LE commission. Oh dear.
Who said it was the '' Pinnacle '' of my career ?
Wasn't it? You went on to be RSM and hold an LE commission?

Glass houses again. Rather stupid to raise the subject / point the finger unless you've done at least as well yourself. Bob and some others are fully entitled to - you're not.
You are a belter that appears to invent things. Like your career for starters.
Really? Any examples of that?

Since my personal details are freely available here from my name and number to my gazzetted rank and bling, via the SMC I started on to the final post I left from, with some of a selection of cap badges and posts and appointments along the way and a variety of photos, that's about as dumb a thing to say. It usually comes as the last resort of those who've been shown up as either particularly stupid or Walting themselves (or both). You're evidently no exception. Actually '76 to '93. Again. As gazzetted.
Tell us all about those 6 Operational Theatres that you claim to have been in during that time.
I was asked, repeatedly, how many op tours I'd done. I answered, cutting it down to tours in op theatres to keep it simple. I've named them, not counting UNFICYP which would be stretching things a bit. The poster who asked, when making a similar claim and asked not unreasonably to do likewise, hasn't. There's no shortage of posters unwittingly doing that here, and unsurprisingly you're one of them with every uninformed, stupid post you make.
 
He doesn't appear to know if ATOs attended all Milan range firings or if Milan pl comds blew any blinds and were taught to do so on their cses; as the SME on both I'd have thought he might.
Stop making assumptions.
 
I too am waiting for the other five operational theatres in which he served.
Not sure why you're still "waiting" as you're apparently one of the very few here who knows what LS and MAO could entail - certainly the only one to make any sort of informed comment.

I've detailed NI, as well as UNAMIC and UNTAC (only one theatre),, ignored UNFICYP, and explained MAO / LS.

There's not much more that can be said, although if you include GB and Nepal as some have bizarrely said should be the case many of us would be well into double figures.
 

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