Army WO3s and RAF WO1s

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Aren’t you both looking to prove a point? The Elwood Blues defence comes to mind.
Well, I've proved mine. Clearly there's a slack handful who are trying to prove otherwise but so far there's been a lot of shouting but not much else.

..... and somehow every time a new point comes up we go through the same motions again ...
 
Says the alleged Pl Comd & Training Officer who thinks Pam 21 is called '' Shoot to Kill ''
As I've said before:

You really are the most stupid and most tedious little turd posting in this thread, despite the competition. As I've previously told you, at length, as far as I can recall outside PCD I've never been an RCO on a range that used Pams 20, 21 or 22, nor outside PCD have I ever planned or conducted any stage 4 or 5 LF. I've never done it. It's never been my job to do it, as on the few occasions where I was RCO the ranges weren't covered by Pams 20, 21 or 22 as the ranges were either unique, specialist or foreign.

Far from claiming to be an expert on it, I've said clearly and repeatedly that I've never done it.
Whatever point you're trying to make with this is as pointless as it is moronic. I've no idea how to say this more clearly: I'VE NEVER DONE WHAT YOU KEEP SAYING I'VE NEVER DONE!!!
 
nor outside PCD have I ever planned or conducted any stage 4 or 5 LF. I've never done it.
So what did you do on your fictional Milan Pl Comd's course ? Was part of the course not PLANNING a live firing Exercise ? That would have consisted of Range Letters, traces, movement boxes, references and everything else that goes into the planning of a live firing exercise. Pam 21 - Shoot to Kill required.

I find it more than a tad difficult to believe that as an Infantry orifice that you never ran a range that was covered by Pam 21.

It would appear that you have actually done the square root of F@@k All.
 
I can't really think when that would have been possible as a pl comd. Where do you suggest that would or could have taken place?
Really?

You can't think of a situation where you would be in the vicinity of one of your soldiers and a kettle?

How about during a welfare interview? Or when they first joined the platoon?
 
Really?

You can't think of a situation where you would be in the vicinity of one of your soldiers and a kettle?

How about during a welfare interview? Or when they first joined the platoon?
Well it’s not going to be in the field, the cünt was never there.
 
Was part of the course not PLANNING a live firing Exercise ? That would have consisted of Range Letters, traces, movement boxes, references and everything else that goes into the planning of a live firing exercise. Pam 21 - Shoot to Kill required.
In a word (again) 'No'. NO!

As has been explained at enormous length, countless times, NO 'part of the course was PLANNING a live firing Exercise that would have consisted of Range Letters, traces, movement boxes, references and everything else that goes into the planning of a live firing exercise. Pam 21 - Shoot to Kill required.' NONE!!!

The live firing was a series of LFBLs ending on a fully staffed range (complete with an ATO!) engaging an MTT. In our case, for reasons I've explained, only two students did the BL, including a tab, and the rest of us just did the LF part. A few of us also did an additional different BL on another day, combined with a firepower demo, IIRC in the bowl.

I find it more than a tad difficult to believe that as an Infantry orifice that you never ran a range that was covered by Pam 21.
Where? When? As covered at length already, I was a pl comd in Gib. The only range we used was a unique custom built 100m+ Dart range; I know Alamo says when he was there a decade later they used standard fig 11 & 12 targets, but obviously over 100m they'd have been three times the proper size.
When the Bn was on UK trg I was in Brunei. After that a JNCOs cadre, then A/tk pl and a tour in Dungannon, Crusader, Milan pl conversion, Spearhead, IO, UNFICYP, OC, and Londonderry. On return after three years, briefly, another JNCOs cadre in Fox Bay and UK Ops Offr while the bn prepared to move to Minden and I moved on. When TF do you think I ran a range??
 
In a word (again) 'No'. NO!

As has been explained at enormous length, countless times, NO 'part of the course was PLANNING a live firing Exercise that would have consisted of Range Letters, traces, movement boxes, references and everything else that goes into the planning of a live firing exercise. Pam 21 - Shoot to Kill required.' NONE!!!
Really ??

Then how did they assess whether you were competent to plan, conduct and supervise Live Firing, which is a pretty big thing for the Milan Platoon Commander ?

The stench of BS is getting overwhelming.
 
Well, I've proved mine. Clearly there's a slack handful who are trying to prove otherwise but so far there's been a lot of shouting but not much else.

..... and somehow every time a new point comes up we go through the same motions again ...
Agreed
 
Been absent from the debate for a while, but I think I’ve worked out what the operational limitation of Milan was. The Platoon commanders. They had to spend so much time writing verbose essays that they never learned about the weapon.

Fucked if I can work out why you lot have been debating a missile that has been out of service for over a decade.

Any chance of moving on and talking about Javelin?
Maybe only if the Platoon commanders were officers. We had a workaround for the problem. Our four Milan Platoons were commanded by Sgt's, although we had an 'Battalion anti tank officer' who was a Captain.
 
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