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You know what dingerr? Clearly my posts get on your tits, I try to be civil and you just come across as someone with a big chip on each shoulder. Why don't you do both yourself and me a favour and just ignore me, eh?
I don’t see what you saw wrong in that post. It was purely information.

I fail to see how I can have a chip on my shoulder when I’m not the one getting upset. I’m not flaming you, just giving you the genuine information as opposed to the duty rumour.

My background is Ammunition and explosives which also included Improvised Explosive Device Disposal.

I’ve recovered stocks of Semtex in NI, maintained stocks in UK and Iraq, at no time has any of it displayed the degradation you suggested.

I was in NI, albeit on another team, when the first SAM 7 was recovered by the security forces. It was a top down operation and the initial fear was allayed when intelligence revealed there were no thermal batteries.

Guided Weapons use thermal batteries, they are solid state, until initiated by a pyrotechnic charge, they will typically reach 200c. I’m sure you can imagine how difficult it is to replicate this. That said attempts have been made to use car batteries in the last few years. There have been some launch successes, but intelligence suggests missiles fail shortly after launch.

None of my posts towards you have been personal attacks and I resent your personal attack above.
 
I rather think we've had enough of experts, don't you? Here's @dingerr, a mere Ammo Tech and high-threat EOD operator, presuming to lay down the law on improvised explosive devices, whatever next, a Russian speaker giving advice on verbs of motion? It's political correctness gone mad, I tell you.
 
Guided Weapons use thermal batteries, they are solid state, until initiated by a pyrotechnic charge, they will typically reach 200c. I’m sure you can imagine how difficult it is to replicate
I just Googled "How do thermal batteries work". Got a very nice factsheet pdf download (from the ASB group: HERE), which was interesting simply because I was a MILAN Pl Comd, 40 (fvckmyoldboots) years ago, and never bothered, back then, to understand the significance.

If I now have it remotely correct, the thermal battery travels with the missile,, powering its onboard systems, which means you can't just swap it for a lead acid job from Halfords, but also implies that they'd be built in to the projectile, not least because the chemistry of these batteries means they have a very long shelf life, and minimal to nil housekeeping overhead, so they can be left safely in situ for yonks.

All of which has me wondering how it came to be (accepting that Soviet and post-USSR technology didn't/doesn't necessarily ape or even resemble ours), that WP manufactured SAM7 turned up in the hands of PIRA, without their power source.

I'm not in any way doubting you: quite the reverse :-D

I'm simply curious as to whether Soviet manufacturing meant the batteries weren't built-in, or - if they were - how did they come to be removed prior to export from Libya (bastion of Socialist workers freedom), to PIRA (brothers in the global Marxist-Socialist armed struggle to ensure Gerry and Martin could fulfill their personal ambitions).

There's scope in there for some serious tinfoil hattery theorems.
 
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The SAM 7s thermal battery is external and screwed on prior to use. It’s less weight for the missile to carry.

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A lot of the stuff that Col. Qaddafi gave to the Provos was duff gear the Libyan armed forces were happy to get shot of, including Semtex that was beginning to weep. Still, the Provos were able to make use of quite a lot of it, I wouldn't have thought that it would have taken much for the devious buggers in South Armagh to get a battery working again, they proved themselves quite adept at improvising electronics as I recall.
Source?
 
To what systems does it supply power?

And, on what power source do the systems aboard the missile draw, if the battery stays with the launcher?

Again: not disputing - seeking to understand.
It’ll run up gyros, initiate a smaller, onboard, thermal battery, ignite the rocket motor and possibly remove one aspect of the arming mechanism.
 
It’ll run up gyros, initiate a smaller, onboard, thermal battery, ignite the rocket motor and possibly remove one aspect of the arming mechanism.
I'm still left wondering how the onboard systems are powered - but that's irrelevant.

Why would the beneficent Muammar Quadaffi supply his Republican Oirish brothers in arms with weapons devoid of a key component?

Incompetence or interference? Don't suppose we'll ever know fer shure.
 
I'm still left wondering how the onboard systems are powered - but that's irrelevant.

Why would the beneficent Muammar Quadaffi supply his Republican Oirish brothers in arms with weapons devoid of a key component?

Incompetence or interference? Don't suppose we'll ever know fer shure.
If Libya then was anything like Libya now my bet would be incompetence.
 
I'm still left wondering how the onboard systems are powered - but that's irrelevant.
A small onboard thermal battery.

Why would the beneficent Muammar Quadaffi supply his Republican Oirish brothers in arms with weapons devoid of a key component?
An easy cock up if there are separate components or some spooky interference.
 
I'm still left wondering how the onboard systems are powered - but that's irrelevant.

Why would the beneficent Muammar Quadaffi supply his Republican Oirish brothers in arms with weapons devoid of a key component?

Incompetence or interference? Don't suppose we'll ever know fer shure.
In Libya a few years ago, now, a couple of years after the Revolution, I had a cup of iftar coffee with a militia commander who'd changed sides at a timely moment in the 2011 Revolution. He was an OK geezer, had been in Ghadaffi-era military intelligence and had been peripherally involved in supporting the 'Ra, both in-country and with logistics. His line was that they were arrogant, ungrateful racist ********* and he and his buddies made no particular efforts to send them good stuff.
 
In Libya a few years ago, now, a couple of years after the Revolution, I had a cup of iftar coffee with a militia commander who'd changed sides at a timely moment in the 2011 Revolution. He was an OK geezer, had been in Ghadaffi-era military intelligence and had been peripherally involved in supporting the 'Ra, both in-country and with logistics. His line was that they were arrogant, ungrateful racist ********* and he and his buddies made no particular efforts to send them good stuff.
Tsk. Freedom fighters, remember?
 
It's pretty funny really. You repeatedly tell people to point out inaccuracies in your posts, then when they do you either pretend they didn't or tell them to put you on ignore. It's almost like you want to be able to keep pushing your 'agenda' without anyone disagreeing with you.
Fair enough, you actually believe you were refuting my argument, I thought you were just venting.

So if I get it right your rejoinder to my theory as to why the Army senior command screwed up the initial deployment in 1969 and made a series of strategic errors over the next year or so and thereby allowed itself to to get mired in a pointless 30 year sectarian conflict is...er, the IRA are bad, they kneecap people and blow up shopping centres, erm, that's it.

You're right, the IRA are bad bastards and what they did in the Troubles was often heinous and barbaric.

None of which is remotely relative to the point I was making.
 

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