Army Veterans Facing murder charges over Bloody Sunday within two weeks

Don't know if this has been posted before:

The British Army cannot justify killing defenceless people

Never heard of the author, his time in NI (ex-captain) was after mine and well after many of the posters here.

Anyone on here serve with him in the past?
Some might have seen him in a classroom, he was an Educator!
After leaving he became an aspirant Tory prospective MP failed at that and is an ardent Remainer. His twat feed is interesting and he is being slated currently Nicholas Mazzei (@Tsar_Nicholas) | Twitter .

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I agree with you on the picture as interpretation is a matter of opinion and we would never know that accurate context, the photographer could have been making funny comments etc.

I am happy to go with the opinion of Saville who spent ten years on this and as a QC and judge is more than qualified to draw conclusions from evidence.
The thing I find particularly sad is no-one in authority has been held to account. Look at the evidence and questioning of Loden who comes across like a guilty Scouser caught with his hand in the till.
It's a bit late to hold Maj Loden to account, in retirement he was murdered in Kenya in 2013. Can't do links on this tablet but Wiki confirms.
 
It's a bit late to hold Maj Loden to account, in retirement he was murdered in Kenya in 2013. Can't do links on this tablet but Wiki confirms.
As were two of the lads who allegedly fired a double figure number of rounds on BS. One was murdered post military career when, having trained as a media cameraman, he was found dead on the Afghan jebel, during the Russian occupation. His equipment was being sold in a local souk. The serial numbers on the equipment indicated him as the owner.
The other lad very well known to some the posters, was killed in a contact with SWAPO having previously joined SADF following an SF tour with the Rhodies.
 
Some of the 1 Para SLRs ( Bloody Sunday vintage) ended up with the West Side boys in Sierra Leone when the Royal Irish got detained on OP Barras.
I take it that was as a result of the British Army selling them on once they finally realised how shit they were.
 
Look at the evidence and questioning of Loden who comes across like a guilty Scouser caught with his hand in the till.
He was a prisoner of the Paras regimental mythology, IMHO, according to which (a) the best response to any provocation is abrupt and violent, and (b) you can't expect troops trained to that philosophy to behave like choirboys when provoked.

He wasn't expecting what he got on the day, is my bet, but regimental loyalty obliged him to excuse his troops as per (a) and (b) above.

Only with that PoV as a point of departure is it "obvious" that his superiors were at fault for deploying his troops in the circumstances.

He argued he was a scapegoat. His argument - by my interpretation above - was entirely specious.

That's not to say he was guilty of any intent, but he was way, way too ready (I'm gonna speculate he had form, even if not on ops in NI) to turn a blind eye to violent breaches of discipline.

It bit the Nation on the arrse that day, and the bite's been a running sore ever since.
 
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Some of the 1 Para SLRs ( Bloody Sunday vintage) ended up with the West Side boys in Sierra Leone when the Royal Irish got detained on OP Barras.
Yes, and rightly or wrongly I had the impression at the time that an SLR involved in "something" had been deactivated and converted to a shooting trophy for a reserve unit. Having studied forensic medicine I was well aware that rounds fired could be linked with individual weapons. There may have been a decision at some level to take these weapons out of use, but not to destroy them.
 
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But not among the snobs

"Tony did not feel he had a future in the British Army, he always felt that his N.C.O. background was held against him"
I hesitate to talk about the issues surrounding Tony's unhappiness in the Bn... though following two remarkable tours in West Belfast, the issue wasn't his 'NCO background' (he was as middle class as his commissioned contemporaries) - more the fact when we arrived in Berlin he was appointed MTO (a position normally held by a LE officer)... I was shocked as were most in the Bn and he was very unhappy - though I felt at the time he would have been as unhappy in any appointment, even one more suited to his talents. He was a man of action who thrived on adrenalin, garrison soldiering was not for him. Interesting to note, and I shall say no more, the late Clive Fairweather (who I also held in high regard) was Adjutant of the Bn at this time.
 

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He was a prisoner of the Paras regimental mythology, IMHO, according to which (a) the best response to any provocation is abrupt and violent
Which ironically is also a very socialist view.
 

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Feel free to disprove the facts I state and demolish the "agenda" I am obviously presenting with your own facts-based arguments.
OK.

Have I convicted the man? No, of course not that is not within my powers
But you obviously think someone has or you wouldn't come up with inaccurate phrases such as this:
Lance Corporal F slotted half a dozen of Her Majesty's Irish subjects
Unless you had an agenda.

Accuracy.
Not your strong point.
 
As were two of the lads who allegedly fired a double figure number of rounds on BS. One was murdered post military career when, having trained as a media cameraman, he was found dead on the Afghan jebel, during the Russian occupation. His equipment was being sold in a local souk. The serial numbers on the equipment indicated him as the owner.
The other lad very well known to some the posters, was killed in a contact with SWAPO having previously joined SADF following an SF tour with the Rhodies.
Karma.
 

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