Army to outsource recruitment

#1
Just picked this up from the Recruiter, one wonders if there's a few members of the current Gov going to try and get their snouts' in this trough because there's no logical reason to outsource HM Armed Forces recruitment to private industry.



Army to outsource recruitment
Tue, 5 May 2009

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The Army is to outsource the recruitment of its soldiers and officers to the private sector.

The Army will host an event later this month to inform potential bidders about the details of the contract.

Recruitment sources say that the contract will be worth about £100m over a decade and may not be finalised for another two years.

One potential bidder told the Independent on Sunday that the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy will “also be going down the outsourcing route” if the contract proves successful. The source added: “The suspicion is that this will be chased by business process outsourcers, recruitment firms and service companies.

“That means you can throw into the bidding equation names such as Capita, Serco, Manpower, G4S, Hays, VT Group and the French firm Steria.”

An Army spokesman said: “An industry day is to be held on 28 May. Information will be released that day so that there is a level playing field [for any party that wants to bid].”
 
#3
soleil said:
Has this appeared in the press? Which publication?
It went out in the MoD contract bulletin about 6 or 8 weeks ago, trawling for interest in it.

As I understand it from the contracts bulletin it's to provide the infrastructure and support to the process.
 
#4
soleil said:
Daz

Has this appeared in the press? Which publication?
It was in one of the Sunday papers as well. I read it and thought it so barking that I even forgot to mention it on Arrse!

Litotes
 

nark

Old-Salt
#5
This is absolute bollocks.

The employment of civilian agencies to recruit for the Army was trialled in Scotland about 6 years ago and it was an abject failure that had to be terminated at short notice.

Never again was the cry from Recruiting Group!
 
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#6
nark said:
This is absolute balls.

The employment of civilian agencies to recruit for the Army was trialled in Scotland about 6 years ago and it was an abject failure that had to be terminated at short notice.

Never again was the cry from Recruiting Group!
Yeah, but this time they'll probably have a slack handful of 'former' Army Officers on their side...so it's bound to work. Good money after bad, eh.

Former Army Officers...consultants to the world. Especially the really old ones who just can't let go.
 
#7
soleil said:
Daz

Has this appeared in the press? Which publication?
soleil.

The Recruiter mag sends out a daily email, here's the link to the article.

Daz
 
#8
That's bloody insane.
Speaking as a pre-crow lad who's currently dealing closely with the local recruiters, how the bloody hell am I supposed to have anything approaching the respect/trust I have with/for the current recruiters, for/with some overpaid underworked civil serpent?

What possible purpose could this serve? I want to talk about the army to people from the army, not to bloody secondary school civilian carreers advisors.
 

chimera

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#9
Squiddly said:
That's bloody insane.
Speaking as a pre-crow lad who's currently dealing closely with the local recruiters, how the bloody hell am I supposed to have anything approaching the respect/trust I have with/for the current recruiters, for/with some overpaid underworked civil serpent?

What possible purpose could this serve? I want to talk about the army to people from the army, not to bloody secondary school civilian carreers advisors.
You will. I believe this is outsourcing the "back office" stuff such as marketing (already out with contractors), processing applications, IT, medicals etc. The "Front of House" contact with the applicant stays green.
 
#10
chimera said:
You will. I believe this is outsourcing the "back office" stuff such as marketing (already out with contractors), processing applications, IT, medicals etc. The "Front of House" contact with the applicant stays green.
Ah right, not the huge sweeping changes I'd envisaged. Imagine how unusual people would find it to go to an AFCO manned by contractors/delegates/associates/whatever they call themselves these days, with no green in sight.
 
#11
A job of a recruiter in civ life is to sell a particular role for employment. They will no doubt be target driven but will also be professionally liable if say some chav wants to fly helicopters only to find he drives trucks instead. Interesting potential case.
 
#12
So that's what that bloke was doing at the Age Concern Day Centre................
 
#13
Squiddly said:
That's bloody insane.
Speaking as a pre-crow lad who's currently dealing closely with the local recruiters, how the bloody hell am I supposed to have anything approaching the respect/trust I have with/for the current recruiters, for/with some overpaid underworked civil serpent?

What possible purpose could this serve? I want to talk about the army to people from the army, not to bloody secondary school civilian carreers advisors.
Much as I agree with your sentiment, even I could not defend your description of MOD Civil Servants as overpaid and underworked. The reverse is definitely true. However, even if outsourcing of the back office were to go ahead, Civil Servants would not necessarily get any more involved in recruiting than they are already.
 
#14
Jorrocks said:
Squiddly said:
That's bloody insane.
Speaking as a pre-crow lad who's currently dealing closely with the local recruiters, how the bloody hell am I supposed to have anything approaching the respect/trust I have with/for the current recruiters, for/with some overpaid underworked civil serpent?

What possible purpose could this serve? I want to talk about the army to people from the army, not to bloody secondary school civilian carreers advisors.
Much as I agree with your sentiment, even I could not defend your description of MOD Civil Servants as overpaid and underworked. The reverse is definitely true. However, even if outsourcing of the back office were to go ahead, Civil Servants would not necessarily get any more involved in recruiting than they are already.
I was not referring to MOD staff, more to the government appointed civil servants that are given non-jobs like "equality and diversity co-ordinator" and "health and safety steward" for serious wages, and things like that. I saw the posts being given to outside contractors from outside the MOD, to whom quotas and statistics would be more important than honesty and job knowledge.

This was not intended as a criticism of the hardworking MOD staff you refer to, and no offense was intended :).
 
#15
Squiddly said:
Jorrocks said:
Squiddly said:
That's bloody insane.
Speaking as a pre-crow lad who's currently dealing closely with the local recruiters, how the bloody hell am I supposed to have anything approaching the respect/trust I have with/for the current recruiters, for/with some overpaid underworked civil serpent?

What possible purpose could this serve? I want to talk about the army to people from the army, not to bloody secondary school civilian carreers advisors.
Much as I agree with your sentiment, even I could not defend your description of MOD Civil Servants as overpaid and underworked. The reverse is definitely true. However, even if outsourcing of the back office were to go ahead, Civil Servants would not necessarily get any more involved in recruiting than they are already.
I was not referring to MOD staff, more to the government appointed civil servants that are given non-jobs like "equality and diversity co-ordinator" and "health and safety steward" for serious wages, and things like that. I saw the posts being given to outside contractors from outside the MOD, to whom quotas and statistics would be more important than honesty and job knowledge.

This was not intended as a criticism of the hardworking MOD staff you refer to, and no offense was intended :).
Fine, but make sure you understand the difference between Civil Servants and Consultants - two very differents beasts.
 
#16
Jorrocks said:
Fine, but make sure you understand the difference between Civil Servants and Consultants - two very differents beasts.
I stand corrected :) .

I was just aghast at the idea of being told about what it's like to drive a tank by someone called "Patricia" in a blouse. :)
 
#17
nark said:
This is absolute balls.

The employment of civilian agencies to recruit for the Army was trialled in Scotland about 6 years ago and it was an abject failure that had to be terminated at short notice.

Never again was the cry from Recruiting Group!
I was in a trial office as a Crab recruiter at the time and your description of it is very apt. the amount of work involved for the poor Army recruiters to recover that mess, on top of their normal daily work was unbelievable.
 
#18
As long as the Trixies and Trinas don't do the recruiting, "So Carl you want to join the Army, what are your shorthand speeds, and can you do excell.
 
#19
May not be a bad thing for specialist posts, having said that if I was walking in the door of a recruitment office I'd want to talk to someone who knew what they were talking about.
 
#20
Well, I think this is the bestest news ever....

Those fcukers at teh ACIOs have been just sitting around and not selling the Army properly for years.

Let's contract the recruitment process out.... because contracting out has worked SO well with so many other Military functions.

We'll get a fully versatile and streamlined process, that will be cheaper than the original but still deliver the same service.

I reckon we will get lots of synergy, asymetrical achievement and focused activity. Hell, we may even get some recruiting done at the same time. Basically we'll get the recruits that we need, at the time we need them... and of course we will be doing more but with less.

Maybe we could call it Pay As You Recruit? The Army pays a set price for each "Corps" option, but a little bit more for the "value added" Regimental option.

I am psyched by all this myself.
 

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