Army tells its soldiers to bribe the Taleban

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Link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6919516.ece

British forces should buy off potential Taleban recruits with “bags of gold”...The new instructions came on the day that Gordon Brown went farther than before in setting out Britain’s exit strategy from Afghanistan

I'm sure this is what Labour have being doing for the years in the UK (buying off the labour voters) helping put us in economic turmoil, now its time for job seekers allowance for the Afghans! I hear on the grapevine that the next policy is to provide free bunkers for Afghan single mums.
 
#3
i call the back row! (thats where the naughty kids sit right?) :)
 
#4
Amazing....It's only taken someone 6 years to bother to read something on the history of the North West Frontier.

The appliaction of force and the golden St.Georges were exactly how the Imperial Army in the Raj kept the peace on the NW Frontier. Not always perfectly but it worked.
 
#5
Kitmarlowe said:
Amazing....It's only taken someone 6 years to bother to read something on the history of the North West Frontier.

The appliaction of force and the golden St.Georges were exactly how the Imperial Army in the Raj kept the peace on the NW Frontier. Not always perfectly but it worked.
At last, a return to sensible policies. Our leaders may have forgotten our history in the region, but I bet the Afghans did not, and were expecting this outcome all along. I hope there will be some conditions added to these bribes, to create more infrastructure projects, rather than just leave them to sit on their haunches smoking dope.
 
#6
Ah the cavalry of St George are being mobilised at long last. If you can't beat them, get them to join you!

Maybe we could start a Pashtun regiment in the British Army...to go with oh, a Baluchi, a Sikh and a Rajput one??
 
#7
The Italians were doing this out there on a small scale a few years ago.


Unfortunately they didn't tell the French.
 

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#9
So, we could rent a few thousand insurgents . . . . . but what would we get them to do, or more to the point, who could we send them to kill? Could we rent them for long enough to go hurtling over the border into Pakistan?
 
#10
bullet_catcher said:
Ian1983 said:
The Italians were doing this out there on a small scale a few years ago.


Unfortunately they didn't tell the French.
It might have been done on a larger scale, but money does not travel well in these situations.
To be honest I can't remember the reach of the bribery off the top of my head, but I do remember it came all unstuck when the Italians were relieved by the French who were subsequently massacred when the payments stopped to the Taleban.

I do agree though. Just because a tribal leader/local taleban commander is being bribed, doesn't mean everyone is going to get the message and a share of the booty.
 
#11
I've got to ask.

Where would the money come from to do this?

After all we are broke as a country or would it just be expected to be found from the Defence budget again. It is a bottomless budget after all :roll:

570
 
#12
570mils said:
I've got to ask.

Where would the money come from to do this?

After all we are broke as a country or would it just be expected to be found from the Defence budget again. It is a bottomless budget after all :roll:

570
I'm sure one of the new chinooks sold to a foreign state would keep the bribery going for a few months, maybe a year if they are cautious.

'Don't worry lads, you don't need it. We're paying them not to attack you until the money runs out'
 
#13
Now, forgive me if I am wrong, but didnt we pay off the locals in one of our previous adventures in Afghan, who then went on to butcher all except for 1 doctor?
 
#14
Brings to mind this article I saw in Friday's Grauniad.

US (and probably british) supply lines kept open by paying taliban

And about both situations, I am totally incredulous; who in the hell thinks that bribing taliban not to fight will solve any problems whatsoever?

So sometimes our troops are paying them not to fight, other times we're advancing to contact!?!?

Where the hell do the top brass, the MoD, the government think that the taliban are getting the money to pay for their side of the war?

Here's an idea- don't pay them anything, ever. Pile the money into CIMIC- lots more skilled personnel brought in from outside- teachers, doctors, entrepreneurs, gap year students who want to help in deprived communities.

But first- destroy the taliban, thus providing security.

ROE for those convoys from pakistan should be "If anyone engages you, you must hunt them down and destroy them."- not pay them to blow up a different bit of coalition forces.

Basically, I think the problem is that we have moved to COIN fighting far too soon- we never won the total war. And without finishing the total war, COIN is just going to be messy and a lot harder than it need be.

This is all from a civvy PoV, so only what I read in the media, but it just strikes me as crazy that we let the enemy hold ground (think Jugroom fort etc, I'm sure there's more still out there) when we enjoy such an absurd level of technological and numerical advantage.


tl;dr- bullets are a better, more permanent solution than money.
 
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drain_sniffer said:
Now, forgive me if I am wrong, but didnt we pay off the locals in one of our previous adventures in Afghan, who then went on to butcher all except for 1 doctor?
Surely not!? You mean that we pay them and..... they stay on the other side!? Unthinkable!
 
#16
Why not just hold a competition where each Taliban War Lord can enter with the hope of winning say $500,000.

Make sure they all "Win." when they come down to collect it have a couple of CAS aircraft drop off the prize money :D

My plans always work, sometimes.
 
#17
Closet_Jibber said:
Why not just hold a competition where each Taliban War Lord can enter with the hope of winning say $500,000.
A a sort of "Britain's got Taliban" competition?

The auditions stage would be comical of course, with some goat herder armed with a rusty fifty year old SKS carbine trying to persuade the judges that he is the paramount ruler of Helamand province...only to be rumbled by the incisive questioning of the panel and his inability to get his rifle to provide celebratory fire...

Maybe not a Saturday night prime time format but I trhink BBC3 could be brought on board?
 
#18
drain_sniffer said:
Now, forgive me if I am wrong, but didnt we pay off the locals in one of our previous adventures in Afghan, who then went on to butcher all except for 1 doctor?
If memory serves, they got a bit upset when somebody decided to cut the payments. Up until then it worked quite well.
 
#19
Cuddles said:
Closet_Jibber said:
Why not just hold a competition where each Taliban War Lord can enter with the hope of winning say $500,000.
A a sort of "Britain's got Taliban" competition?

The auditions stage would be comical of course, with some goat herder armed with a rusty fifty year old SKS carbine trying to persuade the judges that he is the paramount ruler of Helamand province...only to be rumbled by the incisive questioning of the panel and his inability to get his rifle to provide celebratory fire...

Maybe not a Saturday night prime time format but I trhink BBC3 could be brought on board?
Just get Simon Cowell involved. Before you know it the entire nation would know the inner workings of a 40 year old AK47 and would be booing Cowell when he said:

"I don't think this is the best suicide bombing I've seen from you, you survived for starters. I think you're really gonna struggle this week."
 
#20
The edicts, which are contained in rewritten counter-insurgency guidelines, will be taught to all new army officers. They mark a strategic rethink after three years in which British and Nato forces have failed to defeat the Taleban. The manual is also a recognition that the Army’s previous doctrine for success against insurgents, which was based on the experience in Northern Ireland, is now out of date.
So far, it seems that that the new strategy planned is to run desperately out of Afghanistan covering our bare arrse.

What happened to all those reconstruction projects that we promised? The atricle in http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=138167.html talks about the mosque destroyed and never rebuilt. I'm sure there are other examples. It's typical of the way we run wars today - minimum commitment to save money while still continuing a campiagn, then chuck money at the easiest short term solution when it all goes wrong.
 

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