Army Redundancies

#1
This is the signal from HQ AG doing the rounds:

1. You will be aware of the FAS/FIS announcements made by the SofS in the House of Commons yesterday. The SofS referred to a limited redundancy programme in the Army, further detail will follow in due course, but the outline of the programme is as follows:

2. The redundancy DCI should be published in Feb 05. The programme will be limited to around 400 officers and soldiers in the Inf and CAMUS. Redundancy will be pan-Inf and pan-CAMUS and not restricted to the specific units disbanding.

3. Eligibility criteria will be given in the DCI. Eligible individuals may then express an interest in being selected, however, under the terms of the compensation package agreed with the Treasury, all redundancies will be compulsory. Redundancy will predominantly affect those with more than 12 years service.

4. The DCI will give details on the timescales for applications etc. Most will be required to leave the Army in FY 06/07 or 07/08. The DCI will also specify individuals entitlements in respect of financial provision and resettlement training.

5. Finally, I should stress, this small redundancy programme is limited to middle ranking offrs/sldrs in the Inf and CAMUS. It will help, and in some cases improve, promotion rates. It does not imply a halt to recruiting. The Army will continue to require a steady flow of new recruits with targets similar to this years.
 
#2
Can someone just quickly explain why experienced Soldiers with time to do are being made redundant?
 
#3
There's not enough room for them in the zones that they are currently in. No-one is saying that we don't need them.

The restructuring of careers (ROCC) has identified broad zones in which we must either be promoted and move on - or not. These redundancies are merely the first step in harmonising the management of our people.

Anyway, it's not as if we won't find 400-odd officers and soldiers who won't jump at the chance to take the Government to the cleaners with the redundancy package! And good luck to them as well! :D
 
#4
Be aware all, this is the first in many over the next 2 years. Mandatory redundancies will be introduced after the elections and will include all those duplicate positions as units are amalgamated.

TCH (the SH1T) has already stated that the Army WILL be reduced to 102,000 from 108,000 ASAP.

The retirment package is nothing and unless the person is quallified to the hilt, finding compatible work in this country is nigh on impossible.

Good luck to them
 
#5
Come on down! (It's great out here.)

As was said the last time round 'Anyone with any get-up-and-go has got up and gone'
 
#6
The_Sloping_Wire said:
Anyway, it's not as if we won't find 400-odd officers and soldiers who won't jump at the chance to take the Government to the cleaners with the redundancy package! And good luck to them as well! :D
Except the Govt hasn't agreed to be taken to the cleaners, and the word on the street is that the original package was rejected as too costly, so if the new one has been accepted....
 
#7
Too much doom and gloom from the cheap seats (as usual).

Let's just wait and see what glad tidings the DCI brings... :D
 
#9
trumpetman said:
Bring on the money :D (he says with everything crossed)

19.5 years completed, I meet the criteria and I'm ready for a new start.
Here here Trumpetman!!! I suspect that we are not the only ones!! Reckon the box of vols will be full for this one. :)
 
#10
This is the typical civil service BS.

WHY on earth are they trying to get rid of experience officers and NCO's??
These are the guys that keep the army running. These are the guys with all the skills and experience.

makes no sense at all. :x

agent smith
 
#11
PartTimePongo said:
Can someone just quickly explain why experienced Soldiers with time to do are being made redundant?
PTP :lol: please read the link below then after, think about what comes into force in April this year, the the Gov are desparate for older soldiers to join up to. and the younger ones are being, in some cases forced into. That is why they are only targeting the soldiers closer to the 22 year mark.
Pensions

http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/redir?ur...hType=MS&partner=Google&query=manning+control
 
#12
Calypso said:
These redundancies are merely the first step in harmonising the management of our people.
Is this a quote from 1984?

msr
 
#14
They made the mistake of voluntary redundancies in 1994 and lost a lot of good experienced men and women, that is why it will be compulsory this time. The powers to be will probably pick the people who are 'of no use ' and keep the experienced which means they will have to overbare in the current rank structure.

I am not holding my breath on this one now.
 
#15
They will be asking for voluntary redundancies and will probably mix vol and compulsory redundancies. Hopefully all those that ask for redundancy fit the criteria for compulsory redundancy; no-one will be overly disappointed then!!

More chance of plaiting diaorrhea (spelling??) than getting that mix right! :? :roll:
 
#16
trumpetman said:
The powers to be will probably pick the people who are 'of no use ' .
Like the powers that be did with Manning control, until caught out and stopped it dead very quickly. like i said before, this is just Manning control under a different name. I.E. the less people on the old pension scheme getting to 22 year point saves Mr Brown stacks. How many on ARRSE with over 12 years service under their belt are willing to change to the new pension scheme in April this year?

We should have a pole on that one. I think the results would be very interesting.
 
#17
This was in the Sunday Express today someone is watching :lol:

Secret Plan to Sack our War veterans exposed
By Tim Shipman
Defence Editor

Hundreds of experienced soldiers are to be sacked from the Army - even though their regiments will not be axed, it can be revealed today.
A leaked document seen by the Sunday Express shows that defence chiefs have ordered the cull of 400 to avoid paying out higher pensions to those with more than 12 years in uniform.
The damning document - written by top Defence Ministry mandarin Sir Kevin Tebbit - will be presented in court shortly when commanders will be accused of bullying soldiers to quit. The instructions to defending counsel reads "The programme will be limited to around 400 officers and soldiers in the infantry."
It adds that redundancy will be pan-infantry and not restricted to specific units disbanding and will mainly affect those with more than 12 years service.
The "small redundancy programme" is limited to middle ranking officers and soldiers."
Liberal Democrat defence spokesman Paul Keetch accused Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon of sacking "some of our best troops-who may have served in Iraq".
He added: "These cuts are ludicrous given the current level of overstretch in the forces."
He said the soldiers being lost appeared to be those vulnerable to be sacked under the discredited Manning policies, soon to be challenged in the High Court by more than 1,400 former soldiers.
The cuts controversy has surfaced as the Defence Ministry is being forced to use logistical units for duty in Cyprus - to cover for infantry sent to Iraq
.
 
#18
Perhaps those who are in the same rank as they were prior to Pay 2000 - and thus more expensive than their post Pay 2000 counterparts - are in the frame because of cost cutting.
 

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