Army personnel abandoned post TELIC

#2
Jesus, Mary & Joseph, how the hell can a British Soldier Wounded in Action be basically "Dumped" with no follow-on care once he returns home? Thats a F-en outrage, & then told to take his uniform off as it might offend? All this because he's TA, & not a Regular? Thats incredibly shamefull, it's basically pissing on his service.
 
#3
Totally... totally unacceptable. The TA should have the same med support as the regs whether deployed or not.

Its about time the Govt and the MOD started to put the Med Services back together and re-open the BMH's they closed, instead of using the staff as 'cheap fill in' on the NHS then maybe they could prevent this from happening.

In fact I belive the med support should be extended to include the immediate families of serving personnel as well. Although the Govt would have to put it all back together again first!
 
#5
snapper said:
Totally... totally unacceptable. The TA should have the same med support as the regs whether deployed or not.

Its about time the Govt and the MOD started to put the Med Services back together and re-open the BMH's they closed, instead of using the staff as 'cheap fill in' on the NHS then maybe they could prevent this from happening.

In fact I belive the med support should be extended to include the immediate families of serving personnel as well. Although the Govt would have to put it all back together again first!
There are many who'd agree. Not New Labour, however, who are already reaping the rewards of their NHS policies. In any case, service personnel needing psychiatric treatment are dealt with by the Priory Group, owned by Chai Patel, the Labour donor and would-be peer. They aren't likely to take big contracts away from those who support them, even when they are less effective and more expensive than keeping the sevice-run facilities open.
 
#6
Disgusting.

The absolute minimum that the TA should receive is equality.

Not exactly a good advertisement for recruitment.
 
#7
Outstanding said:
This is powerful stuff, hope it doesnt happen too often:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2189515,00.html

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He was flown back to England with spinal injuries and in his words to me: “dumped at the front desk of the accident and emergency unit of … ………. hospital. A nurse told me to take my uniform off because I might offend somebody — these were her words. Forty-eight hours earlier, I had been fighting for my country and she had the bloody cheek to say my uniform might offend! Then a doctor took a quick look, told me they had no spare beds, gave me a walking stick and told me to see my GP. In addition, that is how I came home. Walking wounded and nobody giving a damn

Now the government, under some pressure, has agreed that reservists demobilised since January 2003 will have access to treatment by Defence Medical Services specialists.
[Times newspaper]

It is disgusting how this soldier was treated, all soldiers and there family’s should be entitled to proper medical care. What is going to happen to reservists demobilised before January 2003 they will have no access to treatment by Defence Medical Services specialists
 
#8
doctrine said:
Outstanding said:
This is powerful stuff, hope it doesnt happen too often:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2189515,00.html

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He was flown back to England with spinal injuries and in his words to me: “dumped at the front desk of the accident and emergency unit of … ………. hospital. A nurse told me to take my uniform off because I might offend somebody — these were her words. Forty-eight hours earlier, I had been fighting for my country and she had the bloody cheek to say my uniform might offend! Then a doctor took a quick look, told me they had no spare beds, gave me a walking stick and told me to see my GP. In addition, that is how I came home. Walking wounded and nobody giving a damn

Now the government, under some pressure, has agreed that reservists demobilised since January 2003 will have access to treatment by Defence Medical Services specialists.
[Times newspaper]

It is disgusting how this soldier was treated, all soldiers and there family’s should be entitled to proper medical care. What is going to happen to reservists demobilised before January 2003 they will have no access to treatment by Defence Medical Services specialists
I thought this only applied to people with mental health problems?
 
#9
Neuroleptic said:
It is disgusting how this soldier was treated, all soldiers and there family’s should be entitled to proper medical care. What is going to happen to reservists demobilised before January 2003 they will have no access to treatment by Defence Medical Services specialists
I thought this only applied to people with mental health problems?
You are correct, as far as I can see, though I haven't seen anything official laying down exactly what's on offer. So far, it seems that TA personnel will have access to DCMHTs, who will not be getting any more personnel or resources.

I suspect that access to all DMS facilities will be the next announcement, with perhaps the inclusion of TA personnel in the new Sickness Absence Management scheme (another more work, no resources initiative), to ensure that those sick at home are seen regularly.
 
#10
ViroBono said:
snapper said:
Totally... totally unacceptable. The TA should have the same med support as the regs whether deployed or not.

Its about time the Govt and the MOD started to put the Med Services back together and re-open the BMH's they closed, instead of using the staff as 'cheap fill in' on the NHS then maybe they could prevent this from happening.

In fact I belive the med support should be extended to include the immediate families of serving personnel as well. Although the Govt would have to put it all back together again first!
There are many who'd agree. Not New Labour, however, who are already reaping the rewards of their NHS policies. In any case, service personnel needing psychiatric treatment are dealt with by the Priory Group, owned by Chai Patel, the Labour donor and would-be peer. They aren't likely to take big contracts away from those who support them, even when they are less effective and more expensive than keeping the sevice-run facilities open.
The program of closing BMHs was established under the last Tory government and began in the early 1990's largely as a result of Options for Change. There were good clinical reasons why the AMS (and DMS) were moved nearer the NHS, not least of all the experience doctors, nurses and other clinical staff got in BMHs was very limited. That said it does not sound good that this TA chap was effectively discharged from Selly Oak back into the care of his GP and subsequently required numerous surgical procedures. Why was he not kept on the books of the regular army (as all mobilised TA are effectively regular soldiers for the duration) until he was fit to be discharged from both clinical care and the regualr army.
 
#11
Jacques_Bustard said:
ViroBono said:
snapper said:
Totally... totally unacceptable. The TA should have the same med support as the regs whether deployed or not.

Its about time the Govt and the MOD started to put the Med Services back together and re-open the BMH's they closed, instead of using the staff as 'cheap fill in' on the NHS then maybe they could prevent this from happening.

In fact I belive the med support should be extended to include the immediate families of serving personnel as well. Although the Govt would have to put it all back together again first!
There are many who'd agree. Not New Labour, however, who are already reaping the rewards of their NHS policies. In any case, service personnel needing psychiatric treatment are dealt with by the Priory Group, owned by Chai Patel, the Labour donor and would-be peer. They aren't likely to take big contracts away from those who support them, even when they are less effective and more expensive than keeping the sevice-run facilities open.
The program of closing BMHs was established under the last Tory government and began in the early 1990's largely as a result of Options for Change. There were good clinical reasons why the AMS (and DMS) were moved nearer the NHS, not least of all the experience doctors, nurses and other clinical staff got in BMHs was very limited. That said it does not sound good that this TA chap was effectively discharged from Selly Oak back into the care of his GP and subsequently required numerous surgical procedures. Why was he not kept on the books of the regular army (as all mobilised TA are effectively regular soldiers for the duration) until he was fit to be discharged from both clinical care and the regualr army.
The history is well known and is, well, history! There were alternatives that would have improved the training and experience of staff but we got what we got. Unfortunately, MDHUs and particularly RCDM seem to have been chosen on a 'lowest bidder' basis. My own experience of working in MDHUs is that whilst Trust management understand what it's all about many of the staff don't, and they are unwilling to adapt to the needs of military patients.

In the case described, it seems that the patient arrived at Selly oak but wasn't admitted at all. I have heard of cases where civilian nurses at Selly Oak have been really quite hostile with military patients, and queryin why they have been sent there - though they'd know if they read the notes, and saw that the consultant had accepted them.

One of the major problems for TA personnel injured on ops is that so far they have been deliberately demobilised at the earliest possible opportunity, and then left to the NHS.
 
#12
Christ, what can you say to that, I know I shouldn’t be shocked, by any of the comments in that article, as we have come to expect this sort of treatment under the Blair Reich, but I am.

To treat people in such a way after they have given so much especially from the personal perspective for T.A. Soldiers is simply a crime. We have Recruitment problems now in the Regular Army, but with reports and articles like this one coming out on a weekly basis, are going to create monstrous problems for the Future of the Army and Territorial Army.

I just hope the people affected in that article do get some recompense for their troubles, and I wish them well for the future.
 
#13
If nothing happens to change this disgraceful situation, I suggest that those wounded and abandoned may want to consider turning up for a a future "group appointment" at Selly Oak, in uniform and with the media present. That would keep the MoD spin doctors - the only resource accorded any priority - working overtime!
 
#15
Some good commentary so far , and a subject that is vitally important .

Please bear in mind this forum is read at the very highest levels , and things you say here, may cause people in a position to make a difference to say "You know what , I'm going to look at this more closely"

Therefore keep the commentary coming, and if solutions or shortfalls can be highlighted, it may well have some effect.

Thanks

PTP
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#16
Let's hope that do do read it PtP and that they action these issues rapidly. We are one of the worlds biggest economies, we open our doors and provide facilities to everyone and anyone, yet close them to those who do the most. The reputation of our Armed Services is tarnished by the conduct of this Government and its civil servants. As with Tartan Terrier, there's not much that I could add to the comments already made, beyond asking why is this allowed to happen? Can any of those 'in power' who read this, please stop treating Service personnel as if they were toy soldiers, shoved back into a box until the next time they are needed. These are real soldiers, they bleed and die for real and you should be ashamed of yourselves for forgetting that.
 
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bokkatankie

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#17
My experience, whilst not Telic related has some relavance.

Injured on duty with TA.

Looked after by NHS (this included being dumped into a very stretched system and for good measure being infected with MRSA, only saving grace was a wonderful QUARANC Corporal on attachment to Southampton General who showed the rest of the staff how to dress and do thier jobs) with visits in hospital from local Army welfare team.

2 medical boards and out, no longer able to access any support within Army, especially Headly Court, this would have been a real benefit to my recovery. However, and this is the important bit, my TA Regiment have looked after my family and I in a superb way, I wonder where the poor sods in the articles regimental system is and why they are not being supported by it

Since then I have to say that the VA in Blackpool have also been better than good. I have had any number of operations on both legs and they have supported me the whole way (I now live in SA where medical process are far superior to NHService or lack of).

As a result of my (some would say self inflicted) injuries I have lost my job, lost my TA career and have had to make some real adjustments. In the process my Regiment and the VA (and BLESMA) have provided tangible and excellent assistance.

The blokes in these articles are not only being let down by, disgracefully, the Government but also, dare I say it, by thier Regiments, unless someone out there knows different?
 
#18
been thinking about this, what a dogsh!t state of afairs this country's in.


All of the TA lads have volunteered to go to afghan and iraq(at the moment anyway), because we have a sense of duty to our country, yet this sense of duty is not returned when we need it should the worst happen.
 
#19
Biscuits_AB said:
Can any of those 'in power' who read this, please stop treating Service personnel as if they were toy soldiers, shoved back into a box until the next time they are needed. These are real soldiers, they bleed and die for real and you should be ashamed of yourselves for forgetting that.
Brilliant comment, Biccies, but I very much doubt that anyone who wields real power, i.e. the executive arm of government, is reading this. Bearing in mind the number of guidelines that are issued to prevent anyone even accidentally insulting someone from a 'minority background' (we're all unique, so aren't we all minorities?) it is offensive that anyone injured in the line of duty is interrogated as to why they're seeking assistance from any medical provider. This appears to be merely an extension of the state-sponsored contempt regularly shown to service personnel, though quite why the 'caring profession' appears to lose all 'caring' feelings when dealing with service personnel is beyond me.

Around 14 years ago when I was in the ACF I broke my ankle on a training weekend and was carted off to hospital by one of the AIs, both of us wearing boots, combat trousers and Norwegian shirts with our faces and hands smeared with cam cream and dirt. We booked in OK, but the woman taking the details kept looking at us and eventually said, pointedly, "The toilets are over there, if you want to make yourselves presentable." :roll: Bearing in mind there were football and rugby players smothered in dirt in the same waiting room, her distaste didn't seem to be directed at the dirt itself, though I don't know why the sight of a uniform makes some people so uncomfortable.
 
#20
Shocking. I know a lot of people will click on the link and read page 1, for those that haven't noticed there is 2 more pages which you MUST read. A very sad story indeed.

To me It just doesn't seem enough to just moan about it on a website (I am aware who sees it), is anyone aware of any practical things that can be done? I will write to my MP as a starting point. Is anyone out there aware of how to submit PQ's ? PtP any advice please, py PM if necessary.

Over my 24 years service my faith in the "system" has declined weekly, I don't think it can go down much further.
 

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