Army overstretched and underequipped

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's armed forces are overstretched and underequipped by their political masters, a committee of MPs has warned.
Parliament's Defence Committee said a government review of military strategy published last year failed to tackle the growing demands on troops dispatched to the Gulf, Afghanistan, the Balkans and Sierra Leone in the last three years.

Earlier this year thousands of soldiers were also deployed as back-up to striking firefighters, adding to the headaches of generals charged with preparing for war against Iraq.

"The Ministry of Defence has not addressed the risk of overcommitment leading to overstretch," the committee said on Thursday in its report on the latest chapter of Britain's strategic defence review, published last July.


As opposed to the TA, who are understretched and underequipped  :mad:
The current government are not in the slightest bit interested in the current state (being the appropriate word) of the Army :'(...for one reason...we are not vote winners.  The general public are only aware of what directly effects them, ie the NHS, Education, Police and Fire Service :mad:.  However if they were made aware of the true extent of our plight, would there be an uproar? Of course not!  Perhaps CO's should start reporting the facts up the chain of command to senior officers who have the moral courage to stand their ground and actually say 'NO!' to this present government.  I'm in a parallel universe again. ::)
"As opposed to the TA, who are understretched and underequipped"

Depends which bit of the TA you are referring to - some bits are decidedly overstretched.  

For instance (and without wishing to give too many details away) were you to go looking for certain specialist int related skills you would be lucky to find a single TA soldier to mobilise as they have all mobilised already.  A lot more would have been called up for TELIC than actually went had they been available.  

The decisions of a few years ago to cut training have borne fruit in the current shortages - but no real money is available to overcome this.  The experienced soldiers left get disillusioned, ultimatums from work and family and leave.  

Sure, recruitment is good but no-one has yet found a way to provide 10 years of experience in 6 months - and what our customers want are experienced tradespeople who can slot straight in rather than soldiers fresh from A3 trade training.  I suspect that we differ from teeth arms in this respect.  
Outstanding news resource link Lippy, there's another 30 minute chunk out of me day....  ;D



Do stop wibbling. Military victories almost always reflect themselves as greater popularity for the government of the day. Look what victory in the Falklands did for Maragaret Thatcher. And look what defeat did for the Junta.


Maggie (and her pro forces government) were re-elected as a result of the FI Conflict, and John Major's was bolstered as a result of the Gulf War. After both of those actions we enjoyed a brief resurrection of popularity and both conservative governments rewarded us with better pay.  However then came Options for Change, SDR etc etc.  

Although the Armed Forces required major restructuring following the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 90's, the implications of the changes made were not thought through properly...hence SDR etc.  

Equipment procurement is a politically sensitive issue because if the MOD awards a contract to a foreign company, it costs British jobs...oops a vote loser.

If your average British squaddie does 6 tours in 6 years, doesnt get his full leave entitlement, is ripped off by Pay Cut 2000, and is asked to fill in for the Fire Service when on post op leave etc he will vote with his feet. The British public would not even be aware of the loss. But as we cannot fill the post...the government saves some more cash to spend on the other public services....Hey, another vote winner!!!!

Let's be honest about this, so long as we do such an outstanding job with such few resources, we will continue to dig our own grave.

One day we will implode, not a question of if, but when!


true i would hate to imagine if we tried the gulf war in 5 years time or another falkland type war i doubt we will be up to the job and imagine the humiliation of us being defeated , even tho i would hate it THAT is probably the only thing that would persuade the government to pump more cash in
Here we have another one in a long list of intelligent, well reasoned and meaningful discussion entries from 'notinmyname'... I must ask...:

a.  Are you French
b.  Are you still at primary skool
c.  Are you the result of your mum visiting a Garrison disco after the bar closed
d.  Do you want to be a Firefighter or Nurse when you grow up
e.  Are you a recruiters reject on the grounds of your unsuitability... too many spots/too puny/too shallow
f.  Are you on part of the family tree that resembles a snooker cue
g. Are you a little annoyed that your tax (if you actually work) helps pay for my brand new BMW
h. Would you be the first to scream when someone decides to hijack the plane you are in.

I'm bored now...suggest some night time reading for you...research of the following might improve your mind and spirit:

Cowardice in the face of the enemy
Narrow Mindedness for beginners
Self Centred Hatred For The ****
Freedom Without Surrender... all those in the building who are French raise both hands!
The Great and 2nd World Wars...oops if u are French, you wont know much about them
Contraception for the incompetent.
Cousins should not be allowed to breed (Subtitled...Do you say Durrr when someone asks your name)
7 things to do with your mother when the electicity has been disconnected.


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Has anyone seen this in today's Telegraph:

"Blair may send force to help UN halt killing in Congo
By George Jones, Political Editor
(Filed: 22/05/2003)

Britain is considering a request by the United Nations to send troops to join an emergency peacekeeping force in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Tony Blair told MPs yesterday."

So much for the British Army not being sent anywhere else for a while...
Sorry, misunderstood, thought you were talking about army women and inf soldiers! :twisted:
If you're underfunded NIMN was it someone else who posted a few weeks ago about how happy you were with your 25k.

I think we should be told

Shame us

25K? Who could possibly be happy with that? Get yourself to BFG, NIMN. More LOA that you can spend and tax-free everything, you poor bugger...
Let's be honest about this, so long as we do such an outstanding job with such few resources, we will continue to dig our own grave.

Quite. There is also a strange feeling among some that not only are our complaints unjustified but that we are bullies for "winning so easily". I get the feeling that we will only get the resources to do the job properly if we get involved in something where the butchers bill really strikes home.

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