Army not over stretched

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  1. We've not been allowed to call it overstretch for quite a while now.

    Just stretch
  2. Of course we're not overstretched M.O.D, that's why half the blokes on these forums are stuck on almost 6 on, 6 off operational tours - cretins! :x
  3. Could be worse, the yanks have just increased their's to 15 on.
  4. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    I give you the US news from The Economist:

    Fcking 15 months... And the extension happens whilst in theatre... I mean, man management 101 for christs sakes?
  5. Not me - Lucky posting :D
  6. Fair point Whitehorse, I could just imagine Mrs REgards reaction if the MOD followed suit on that one :evil:
  7. The BBC implies that this is just for the army, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the story for all three services. All the mealy-mouthed MoD can say is that the recruitment market is 'challenging'.

    This government has completely undermined the Armed Forces, once the bedrock of this country's success. Over the course of history the British public has felt pity, sympathy, pride, honour, grief and respect for our Armed Forces. Is this the first period in history when they have been ashamed of them?

    I can understand people not joining up because of fear of entering combat, but what sort of world do we live in when they fear joining up because of neglect? The armed force's image, carefully constructed over centuries of conflict, empire building and peace-keeping is in danger of collapsing altogether.

    I have also noted today this article by Liam Fox:


    How long have we been saying this for? More importantly how many times has this been said to Politicians by CDSs various?

    Unfortunately the very last statement rather undermines his article by suggesting that it was written solely for the promotion of the Conservatives rather than out of any genuine regard for us.

    The Torygraph also features this letter from a retired Lt Cdr:


    A fair statement? Before the Iran debacle I would have suggested that this was unnecessarily scathing of our younger members. Unfortunately the performance of two particular individuals has tainted even my view of our junior chaps and chapesses. I dread to think what it has done to public opinion.

    Fortunately this paragraph goes some way to clarify his thoughts. How many times do we have to hear these statements and those like them before something is done?

    I'm afraid I can only agree with that statement. Hopefully the broadsheets are lining up something big for the sundays. I would particularly like to see some opinion polls on this matter to give an idea of what the public actually think of their Armed Forces.
  8. The MoD is nowhere near overstretched. They work 9 to 5 in their marble halls, reap the awards of sucking the governmental tit for a living and go on strike when they feel like it.

    The Army, Navy and RAF on the other hand.......
  9. Returning to the subject of US 15 month tours, no-one seems to have picked up on the fact that it is 15 on 12 off. I.E. more than half your life will be abroad getting shot at if you are unlucky enough to be a US soldier.

    Now thats overstretch!
  10. Poor bloke in a very sensitive trade recently returned to the States after his 12 months duty in the 'Stan. Back home for one day and then literally sent back to the 'Stan. Ouch. Surge is only happening because of extensions of tours. It cannot be sustained which is why it is likely to fail. US is in the same situation as us, over-stretched running its armed forces into the sand.
  11. Of course it's not overstretched.

    The PTI always makes sure it warms up beforehand.
  12. Over stretch?? Yeah, right, cheers, easy...
  13. Some if not all of 12th Mech have had their current tour set at 7 to 8 months so we may already be heading the same way as the US forces just increasing the length of the op tour gradually in the hope it escapes notice.
  14. Absolutely un-feckin-believable. Orwells nightmare is now here - the public can no longer determine what the truth is - even when they see it. Challenging is just that - a challenge. This state of affairs isn't a challenge its an outrage - however I think Joe Public has got so used to being lied to and spun that they no longer have any interest.