Army medics help Police officer (??)

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7404185.stm

Pc describes Uefa fan mob attack

Pc Regan was helped by a Good Samaritan among the crowd
A police officer says he was lucky to escape serious injury after he was set upon by a mob of Rangers fans.

Pc Mick Regan was kicked, punched and stamped on when he slipped helping a colleague get away from bottle-hurling fans in Manchester city centre.

He said the scenes after Rangers' Uefa Cup final defeat were the worst he had witnessed in 23 years with the force.

The 47-year-old revealed he was only saved by two Rangers fans who dragged him away from the mob.

The former Territorial Army soldier's ordeal was captured by police cameras following the violence which started after Wednesday's match.

Trouble first flared in Piccadilly Gardens after a technical fault with a big screen left up to 20,000 fans frustrated. I feel lucky; whoever that army lad was, he wants a medal

Pc Regan

Riot police were sent in as violent clashes broke out along nearby Market Street, Oldham Street and Newton Street.

Pc Regan, from Offerton, Stockport, was on duty for public order and not riot control, but said he sensed the mood was darkening as he listened to the police radio on the way in to the city.

"From the outset we were bombarded with bottles and cans as we tried to contain and disperse the crowd," he said.

"It was unbelievable when we got there - it was already in motion. It was frightening, on a different scale from any other match I have worked in my 23-year career."

As the trouble wore on Pc Regan and a handful of colleagues found themselves being pushed down Newton Street by a mass of fans hurling bottles.

The officer said he got into trouble after being hit by a bottle from a distance of about four feet which struck his elbow.

Pc Regan said: "I remember moving backwards to try and avoid being hit again but next thing I was on the floor.

"I could feel the crowd kicking me in the side but my body armour was protecting me. I could see their feet in front of me even though my head was on the floor.

I'd have been seriously injured... I knew I was going to get done over

Pc Regan

"I managed to get up but I'd lost my baton and had nothing to defend myself with.

"I started to try and run - I'm a fit lad and I do marathons but I think I must have been winded because I couldn't run properly even though I knew I was being followed by the mob."

Pc Regan, a former Territorial Army soldier, escaped with sore ribs and a puncture wound to his arm.


But he said if it had not been for a Good Samaritan who pulled him away from the melee he would have been more seriously injured.

He said: "I saw two lads coming from my right; I thought they were going to have a go.

"But one of them shouted at me saying, 'I'm British Army, I'm a medic'. He grabbed me by the collar and he propelled me up the street.

"If they had not come along at that point I'd have been in big trouble. I'd have been seriously injured. I knew I was going to get done over.

"I feel lucky; whoever that army lad was, he wants a medal."





But despite the widespread condemnation of the Rangers fans, Pc Regan added: "I can't tar them all with the same brush.

"The fans we met at the rendezvous point who were coming away from the stadium were as good as gold but the people who were kicking off were drunk and out for trouble.

"I know they will say it's a minority but a few thousand is a big minority."
 
#2
I know it must have been a terrifying experiance - the so-called "fans" were animals who deserved everything the police dished out - but am I the only one who was surprised none of his mates tried to pull him out of the kicking circle?

What I saw on the news was the coppers pulling back to avoid being overwhelmed. The unlucky chap slipped and was set on by Rangers fans like a pack of rabid dogs(I'm a Hun, but the behaviour of a minority of "the People" that night was indefensible). This must have been in full sight of the other coppers, but none tried to rescue him.

The thugs were cowards and I think even a few coppers rushing in, batons swinging, would have been enough to rescue thier mate.
 
#3
FrankCastle said:
I know it must have been a terrifying experiance - the so-called "fans" were animals who deserved everything the police dished out - but am I the only one who was surprised none of his mates tried to pull him out of the kicking circle?

What I saw on the news was the coppers pulling back to avoid being overwhelmed. The unlucky chap slipped and was set on by Rangers fans like a pack of rabid dogs(I'm a Hun, but the behaviour of a minority of "the People" that night was indefensible). This must have been in full sight of the other coppers, but none tried to rescue him.

The thugs were cowards and I think even a few coppers rushing in, batons swinging, would have been enough to rescue thier mate.
You are probably right, about a quick baton charge - but I watched it on TV, and he was defnitely hanging back - trying to do his job - when the rest of his line withdrew - spontaneously, or on orders, I dunno. He didn't notice them going, and they didn't notice him staying. I doubt they even knew he had been down until after he'd been rescued.

Nor were the Old Bill kitted up for riots: no shields, visors, long batons (baton guns . . .) Shades of Broadwater Farm: he was lucky to get out alive.

And manning problems or not, if any squaddies are picked out as being part of that mob, they should be on the dole within 24 hours of being identified. Well done that young medic.
 
#4
Wether its searching no mans land on the Somme for the injured, patching up guys on the front line in WWII, Korea,Iraq or Afghanistan or dragging a wounded copper out of harms way Army Medics have always been there and I can't think of a better bunch of blokes and lasses.

And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
 
#5
Stonker said:
FrankCastle said:
I know it must have been a terrifying experiance - the so-called "fans" were animals who deserved everything the police dished out - but am I the only one who was surprised none of his mates tried to pull him out of the kicking circle?

What I saw on the news was the coppers pulling back to avoid being overwhelmed. The unlucky chap slipped and was set on by Rangers fans like a pack of rabid dogs(I'm a Hun, but the behaviour of a minority of "the People" that night was indefensible). This must have been in full sight of the other coppers, but none tried to rescue him.

The thugs were cowards and I think even a few coppers rushing in, batons swinging, would have been enough to rescue thier mate.
You are probably right, about a quick baton charge - but I watched it on TV, and he was defnitely hanging back - trying to do his job - when the rest of his line withdrew - spontaneously, or on orders, I dunno. He didn't notice them going, and they didn't notice him staying. I doubt they even knew he had been down until after he'd been rescued.

Nor were the Old Bill kitted up for riots: no shields, visors, long batons (baton guns . . .) Shades of Broadwater Farm: he was lucky to get out alive.

And manning problems or not, if any squaddies are picked out as being part of that mob, they should be on the dole within 24 hours of being identified. Well done that young medic.
Thank God for small mercies; inspite of the old joke - football IS NOT more important than life or death. Bad enough the copper got a shoeing and a broken arm while only trying to do his job. :evil:

Seconded. Good Drills that medic.
 
#6
BiscuitsAB said:
Wether its searching no mans land on the Somme for the injured, patching up guys on the front line in WWII, Korea,Iraq or Afghanistan or dragging a wounded copper out of harms way Army Medics have always been there and I can't think of a better bunch of blokes and lasses.

And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
Am I correct in believing only a Medic has ever won the VC and Bar?
 
#7
Well done that medic!!!! 8)

I noticed those coppers kept running rather than helping their mucker! Twats
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
At the imperial war museum a few years ago they had an exhibit of the VC and GC. Precisely ONCE a second bar was awarded to an individual (durring WW2). Can't remember the guys name or unit, but he got shot up badly all three times. The second one was expected to be posthumous but he (somehow) survived and returned to service. The third one was posthumous though. I think there were two or three others who had been awarded a bar. Certainly one of them was a medic. Again, postumhous for the bar though.
 
#9
BiscuitsAB said:
And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
Oi !! That's my missus you're talking about!!! ( . . . . and a number of her former colleagues . . . :D )
 
#12
Well done to the army lads.

Slimjim your a little harsh, if they knew their colleague had gone down they would have gone back to help I'm sure. Thay were probably ordered to withdraw and the Pc never heard the order, unfortunately the confusion of a public order situation took over and he got seperated and that resulted in a kicking.
 
#13
FrankCastle said:
BiscuitsAB said:
Wether its searching no mans land on the Somme for the injured, patching up guys on the front line in WWII, Korea,Iraq or Afghanistan or dragging a wounded copper out of harms way Army Medics have always been there and I can't think of a better bunch of blokes and lasses.

And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
Am I correct in believing only a Medic has ever won the VC and Bar?
You're probably thinking of Noel Chavasse VC and Bar. There have been others though.

Here you go:
http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/two_vcs.htm
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#15
FrankCastle said:
Am I correct in believing only a Medic has ever won the VC and Bar?
There have been three:

Surgeon Captain Arthur Martin-Leake
Captain Noel Godfrey Chavasse
2Lt Charles Upham

VC and Bar recipients
 
#16
FrankCastle said:
BiscuitsAB said:
Wether its searching no mans land on the Somme for the injured, patching up guys on the front line in WWII, Korea,Iraq or Afghanistan or dragging a wounded copper out of harms way Army Medics have always been there and I can't think of a better bunch of blokes and lasses.

And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
Am I correct in believing only a Medic has ever won the VC and Bar?
WW1 - Capt Noel Chavasse:
http://www.chavasse.u-net.com/chavasse.html

Pay your respects:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=430261
 
#17
Trans-sane said:
Precisely ONCE a second bar was awarded to an individual (durring WW2)
See post above
 
#18
h_8204 said:
Well done to the army lads.

Slimjim your a little harsh, if they knew their colleague had gone down they would have gone back to help I'm sure. Thay were probably ordered to withdraw and the Pc never heard the order, unfortunately the confusion of a public order situation took over and he got seperated and that resulted in a kicking.
maybe they need to go to specsavers then, there was a cop van just in front of the incident and it turned off down a side road....
 
#19
reading back through the thread, Im just wondering how talk of the VC came on! Surely the most it merits is a 'well done lads' and a pint.
 
#20
FrankCastle said:
BiscuitsAB said:
Wether its searching no mans land on the Somme for the injured, patching up guys on the front line in WWII, Korea,Iraq or Afghanistan or dragging a wounded copper out of harms way Army Medics have always been there and I can't think of a better bunch of blokes and lasses.

And the bonus army nurses put out :) the female ones anyway. you'll have to ask MDN about the blokes.
Am I correct in believing only a Medic has ever won the VC and Bar?
Not quite true as already stated, but two of the three were medics. The RAMC does seem to have a disproportionate number of VC's for its strength. Good to see the medic in the article working with that spirit.
 

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