army health care

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by awag, May 10, 2012.

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  1. does anyone know what health care is available to people in the army? If you get ill and need care what will you be entitled to and is it any better than just going through the NHS?
  2. Ahem. Absolutely none - we're young(ish), fit(ish) blokes, sorry, people so don't need any of that guff. Oh and we're just about not to have pensions for the same reason.
  3. So if you go to an army doc then you will just go through NHS like a civi?
  4. You get at least the same standard of care as under the NHS, if not better, and usually much more timely. Additionally, if a service person needs treatment under the NHS, they are entitled to be treated as a 'priority', which effectively means that they can queue-jump in certain circumstances.
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  5. so if your already being treated by the NHS which is taking too long its better to go through the army? Would you stay with the same hospital your being treated through or would the army transfer you?
  6. Is this person a reservist by any chance?
  7. If you're getting any kind of long term treatment the Army would pass you on to the NHS anyway. Army medical care is first line GP, nurse and (if they're available) physio only.

    Unless the treatment you're getting from the NHS involves heavy application of Brufen and tubigrip?
  8. No a guard
  9. Do you mean a member of Her Majesty's Household Troops or some skiplicker from the MGS?
  10. royal guard!
    sounds like NHS it is
  11. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Primary healthcare for regular service personnel is provided by the Defence Primary Healthcare Service usually via an MRS or Med Centre. Emergency and secondary healthcare in this country is contracted by the MOD to the NHS.

    Regular service pers may make their own private medical arrangements but would not normally be entitled to register with an NHS practice and therefore are unlikely to be in the NHS system.

    For reservists if it's a service related injury or illness you may be able to access the DPHS but you would normally be told to go to your own NHS GP. As mentioned above service personnel do get some priority in the NHS, they're effectively private patients, but this is usually only a matter of weeks. NHS waiting lists are not usually that long despite some of the headlines.

    If you have an illness or injury that is impacting on your military service and it's not being sorted then you should go back to your GP. You should also keep your med centre/RMO aware that you have a medical condition. This would usually be through the CoC but you are as entitled as anyone else to medical confidentiality and can contact the med people directly.
  12. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    My apologies I tried to give a sensible answer. I now doubt that the OP will be able to understand it. WTF is a

    If this is a wah its pathetic.
  13. Sorry queens guard, foot guard and yes thank you I understood you answer it was very helpful
  14. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
    1. Battlefield Tours

    Why would someone working for a rail company get medical care from the military?
  15. In view of the fact that that the MoD is probably the least regulated of all govt departments and writes its own rules and regulations, which carry few if any sanctions if breached, is there not now a need for debate on the absence of the statutory responsibility on the MoD to provide healthcare to Service personnel , who are even excluded from primary care under the NHS except in emergencies.

    When the APCHS was set up following the closure of military hospitals, and despite public announcements to the contrary, contractual arrangements between the NHS and MoD to “Fast Track” Service personnel (SPs) excluded a significant number of patients.

    In 2007, Fast Track was described to the Defence Committee[2] as a way to avoid long NHS waiting lists and enable the return to duty of military patients with musculoskeletal injuries (MSIs) by treating them in 6 or 10 weeks. This followed the public disquiet surrounding the closure of military hospitals and the perceived poor treatment of SPs. However it was agreed that only 90% of the injured would be treated in 10-weeks, the remainder being denied their entitlement to be treated in 18-weeks, a right enjoyed by all other UK citizens,

    “No policy or guidance was in place at the time that required patients not treated within 10-weeks under an MoD commissioned contract to switch to an entitlement to be treated within 18-weeks under a Primary Care Trust commissioned contract.”

    The impact of this policy upon SPs and their families over five different PCTs[1] and the medical and economic cost of delaying their treatment must be assessed to demonstrate that such exclusive contractual terms cannot be allowed in future negotiations for Defence health care. While the policy no longer exists, it was meant that injured SPs who were unfortunate enough to fall into that 10% received a lower standard of healthcare than any other UK citizen because there was no requirement to treat them in any time frame whatsoever. This in some cases has lead to serious medical consequence, leaving Serving personnel with three options - internal redress, JSP 831, civil action, or the media.

    SPs were uninformed of the MoD:NHS agreement limitations and the subsequent impact upon their care pathways and were therefore denied essential choices concerning their care[3].

    What monitoring and compliance takes place within the realms of procurement beyond that of what Dangermouse refers to as "group think" in his earlier post, "having a ‘an unquestioned belief in the group's inherent morality, thus enabling members to overlook the ethical consequences of their decisions'?

    How can the Defence hierarchy continue to make such procurement decisions, which in this case allowed for the denial of healthcare rights available to all other UK citizens, without fear of sanction, or even monitoring.

    The appointment of an Armed Forces Ombudsman is the first step in providing accountability to our Armed Forces. Trust is not enough anymore. Our Services deserve accountability.

    [HR][/HR][1] Portsmouth, Derriford, Frimley Park, Northallerton and Peterborough

    [2] “Medical Care for the Armed Forces Seventh Report of Session 2007–08” Seventh Report of Session 2007–08 Report, together with formal minutes, oral and written evidence. Evidence 94. Point 43 P193. ISBN: 978-0215-51368-7 House of Commons - Defence - Seventh Report

    [3] Ibid