Army Headline of the Day

Allan74

Old-Salt
A pretty interesting article on our latest fire sale of perfectly serviceable military equipment:

Sale of Army equipment to African countries labelled 'morally supsect' by ex-top brass.

Much more interesting the quote from Lt Gen Jonathan Riley

“If the Government was interested in defence, it would be putting these things into storage for care and maintenance. Once it’s gone, it’s gone - training goes and you lose a whole capability. But there is clearly no political appetite, so why bother?”

He added: “There is, by the Government’s own admission, a ten-year-gap during which the British Army will not be in the business of war-fighting. If Putin comes over the border, or North Korea, there’s very little we can do. Most of our tank fleet will be in mothballs, we won’t have an infantry fighting vehicle fleet because they’ve dumped the Warrior having spent £40bn on upgrades and are even getting rid of our entire CVR fleet with further delays to replacement.

“Sadly I predict it will only be a matter of time before Britain loses the post of deputy supreme allied commander Europe, probably to a French officer.


In the finest of British traditions this will generate 30 more officer's one star and above and ten new HQs ;-)
Umm, quite a drive from Pyongyang to Andover...
 

Allan74

Old-Salt
One for today


SAS? Spec Inf? Rangers? No the article mentions logistics, so a couple of fat wheezy lads from the RLC
Ahh, the RLC...the bit that sets everything in place for the rest of the Army to use...
 

Allan74

Old-Salt
Umm, quite a drive from Pyongyang to Andover...
Ahh, yes the most noble Lord Dannatt...hmm, Remainer and failure as the professional head of the Armed Forces..focusing on the FRES fantasy whilst EOD and UAV kit and specialist manning was desperately needed in a real life war...
 
Exotic life in the RLC, no?

Unfortunately the majority weren't the porn star type lesbians more like Millie Tant from the Viz.
 
6 Div reaching out for help with IT platforms

 

Chef

LE
6 Div reaching out for help with IT platforms

military and profit motivated business getting together for intelligence work.

What could possibly go wrong with that?
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
military and profit motivated business getting together for intelligence work.

What could possibly go wrong with that?
This should be totally uncontroversial.

A lot of what was previously OSINF has been monetised and put behind paywalls, it's the logical progression of giving all your data to the Facebooks of the world: they treat it as their property and demand rent.

Defence are presumably just acknowledging that they now have to pay for stuff they could previously get for free. Of course there will be a lot of snake oil bought, because that industry is 90% snake oil and the customer is a drooling idiot easily distracted by shiny things, but they aren't doing anything outside the norm.

This isn't any different to them [over] paying other industries for their [questionable value but] standard services.
 

Chef

LE
This should be totally uncontroversial.

A lot of what was previously OSINF has been monetised and put behind paywalls, it's the logical progression of giving all your data to the Facebooks of the world: they treat it as their property and demand rent.

Defence are presumably just acknowledging that they now have to pay for stuff they could previously get for free. Of course there will be a lot of snake oil bought, because that industry is 90% snake oil and the customer is a drooling idiot easily distracted by shiny things, but they aren't doing anything outside the norm.

This isn't any different to them [over] paying other industries for their [questionable value but] standard services.
Up to a point I can see that, however if the army is paying rent to get intel from the company, what's to stop the company selling on info they've gathered from the army? Would the MOD be happy if Netcompany uses Huawei equipment or has Chinese or Jeff Bezos as a major share holder?
 

Sarastro

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Up to a point I can see that, however if the army is paying rent to get intel from the company, what's to stop the company selling on info they've gathered from the army? Would the MOD be happy if Netcompany uses Huawei equipment or has Chinese or Jeff Bezos as a major share holder?
i.e. Revelation of intelligence interest or priorities? From the vague description I don't think that's what they are doing, or there will be much scope for it.

Buying the dataset (and support to implement it in software etc) "UK Facebook Users" does not reveal anything very useful about your intelligence priorities other than you are looking at the UK, which China, Jeff Bezos or anyone else could probably work out already.

As I said, this is fairly standard practice and the benefit from having the data substantially outweighs the (usually obvious) revelation of generic intelligence interest. Also: if China et c are the concern, OSINT research - what it is augmenting - has rarely ever been guaranteed to keep intelligence priorities secret.

I would suggest a much bigger problem is that vanishingly few of these companies do what they say on the tin and are mostly purveyors of serpent-based lubrication - perhaps @twentyfirstoffoot has an opinion?
 
Up to a point I can see that, however if the army is paying rent to get intel from the company, what's to stop the company selling on info they've gathered from the army? Would the MOD be happy if Netcompany uses Huawei equipment or has Chinese or Jeff Bezos as a major share holder?
Or heaven forbid a software centre in Ho Chi Minh City?
perhaps @twentyfirstoffoot has an opinion
I give you the Army Recruitment fiasco
 
Another perv, why anyone would encourage a woman to join the Army I don't know

Except that the "perv" has been found not guilty. While on a course at D&M school in the 1980's a mate from my regiment on the same course was hauled from a lesson. and taken for an interview without tea and biccies.

Long story short, a WRAC "female" had identified him as one of 2 males who had assaulted her in her room in the wee hours of the same morning, after 2 days of police interviews ., my alibi provided enough for the WRAC to retract her made up statement.

He and i had both been at home in the Midlands for the weekend, at the times given we had been at a garage / cafe , receipts to prove it. Tread careful around alternative genders in the workplace
 

Chef

LE
i.e. Revelation of intelligence interest or priorities? From the vague description I don't think that's what they are doing, or there will be much scope for it.

Buying the dataset (and support to implement it in software etc) "UK Facebook Users" does not reveal anything very useful about your intelligence priorities other than you are looking at the UK, which China, Jeff Bezos or anyone else could probably work out already.

As I said, this is fairly standard practice and the benefit from having the data substantially outweighs the (usually obvious) revelation of generic intelligence interest. Also: if China et c are the concern, OSINT research - what it is augmenting - has rarely ever been guaranteed to keep intelligence priorities secret.

I would suggest a much bigger problem is that vanishingly few of these companies do what they say on the tin and are mostly purveyors of serpent-based lubrication - perhaps @twentyfirstoffoot has an opinion?
So is this one of those practices that is already done by lots of countries and just not widely known about?
 
I would suggest a much bigger problem is that vanishingly few of these companies do what they say on the tin and are mostly purveyors of serpent-based lubrication - perhaps @twentyfirstoffoot has an opinion?
Yes, a typical body shopping organisation who assemble assorted consultants to 'deliver' very little in house expertise but a small trouble shooting team that runs from contract to contract dealing with issues.

Started as a partnership in 2014 where a bunch of big four consultants got together to try to emulate the likes of Accenture but operating out of ramshackle offices across the country sold out to Netcompany in 2018/19 and those free rolling entrepreneurs went back to being employees.

Very much bottom end of market deploying tin and software but make a reasonable living out of it.

Snake oil? Oh yes indeed.
 

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