Army has poor literacy levels

#1
Half of Army recruits have the literacy or numeracy skills of children leaving primary school, a report by the Basic Skills Agency says.
Up to half of the 12,000 recruits each year are at or below levels expected of 11-year-olds, the report says
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Makes interesting reading but not very surprising after attempting to decipher some of the 'text speak' style posts from some juniors.
But then on the other boot how educated do you need to be to be trained as a soldier depending on Regt/Corps?
 
#2
Hat20 said:
Half of Army recruits have the literacy or numeracy skills of children leaving primary school, a report by the Basic Skills Agency says.
Up to half of the 12,000 recruits each year are at or below levels expected of 11-year-olds, the report says
link
Makes interesting reading but not very surprising after attempting to decipher some of the 'text speak' style posts from some juniors.
But then on the other boot how educated do you need to be to be trained as a soldier?
So what is this report saying then?

50% of recruits have been totally and utterly failed by the state education system is what is actually means.
 
#3
Hat20 said:
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But then on the other boot how educated do you need to be to be trained as a soldier?
Obviously better, in the opinions of those wanting to get a return on their investment.

I wonder at point, someone will state the bleedin' obvious and ask where this problem starts?
 
#6

M8t beein int amy an servin yoor cuuntry dus nt mean yuu ar a fcken retraad.
Plnty squaddys tht hav sme brains yoo no. Mi an mi palls caan fink for ussens ya know. Wi aint all fikk. wll sme o mi m8ts ar a bitt ont slow sideif yoo now wat i meen. An i dunt tek kinddely too yar fckking akkucattionns. ar wi cleer.
:thumright:
 
#7
EAGLE1 said:

M8t beein int amy an servin yoor cuuntry dus nt mean yuu ar a fcken retraad.
Plnty squaddys tht hav sme brains yoo no. Mi an mi palls caan fink for ussens ya know. Wi aint all fikk. wll sme o mi m8ts ar a bitt ont slow sideif yoo now wat i meen. An i dunt tek kinddely too yar fckking akkucattionns. ar wi cleer.
:thumright:
Thank you, Mr Prescott.
 
#8
EAGLE1 said:

M8t beein int amy an servin yoor cuuntry dus nt mean yuu ar a fcken retraad.
Plnty squaddys tht hav sme brains yoo no. Mi an mi palls caan fink for ussens ya know. Wi aint all fikk. wll sme o mi m8ts ar a bitt ont slow sideif yoo now wat i meen. An i dunt tek kinddely too yar fckking akkucattionns. ar wi cleer.
:thumright:
Well said Pvt Jock McPlop, 1Bn RRS
 
#9
EAGLE1 said:

M8t beein int amy an servin yoor cuuntry dus nt mean yuu ar a fcken retraad.
Plnty squaddys tht hav sme brains yoo no. Mi an mi palls caan fink for ussens ya know. Wi aint all fikk. wll sme o mi m8ts ar a bitt ont slow sideif yoo now wat i meen. An i dunt tek kinddely too yar fckking akkucattionns. ar wi cleer.
:thumright:
Yes Brigadier, sorry Sir!
 
#10
Send them to the SAS- they'll all end up best selling authors.
 
#12
Private_Pike said:
Send them to the SAS- they'll all end up best selling authors.
Or spending hours on ARRSE wishing they were.
 
#13
I realise that the state is at fault, but it's never too late to learn basic skills. The blame lies also at the feet of senior and middle management across the whole of the army. If more managers recognised the problems at hand and set aside time to improve literacy and numeracy skills we'd be a better army as a result.

It's not as though it costs anything apart from a bit of time, is it?
 
#14
But skills Minister Phil Hope said the Army was "doing excellent work" to improve the basic skills of soldiers.
The headline is misleading. It is not “Army has poor literacy levels”, it is “school leavers have poor literacy levels” and the army is doing its best to support the soldiers failed by the school system. The army only highlights it because they assess the work force. If you did the same assessment over all school leavers you would find that it is much higher.

I have seen students come out of school with GCSEs that have suggested that they have attained a standard, but looking at their work indicates that the GCSE is not worth the paper it is written on.

The army has always attempted to educate soldiers. In my day it was EPC and EPC(A). This is nothing new, when I joined my Bn there was still soldiers who had Detail and Part ones read to them and when I was teaching at the depot we sent soldiers off for intense literacy courses.
 
#15
offog said:
But skills Minister Phil Hope said the Army was "doing excellent work" to improve the basic skills of soldiers.
The headline is misleading. It is not “Army has poor literacy levels”, it is “school leavers have poor literacy levels” and the army is doing its best to support the soldiers failed by the school system. The army only highlights it because they assess the work force. If you did the same assessment over all school leavers you would find that it is much higher.

I have seen students come out of school with GCSEs that have suggested that they have attained a standard, but looking at their work indicates that the GCSE is not worth the paper it is written on.

The army has always attempted to educate soldiers. In my day it was EPC and EPC(A). This is nothing new, when I joined my Bn there was still soldiers who had Detail and Part ones read to them and when I was teaching at the depot we sent soldiers off for intense literacy courses.
Good point. It isn't the army's fault that the great unwashed fall out of school with only basic literacy and numeracy skills. But it does follow that while these skills are improved in some cases there are better things to do than sitting down with a platoon and plugging the exploits of Janet and John.

The army has poor literacy levels. How sad, never mind and 'Their They're'
 
#16
offog said:
But skills Minister Phil Hope said the Army was "doing excellent work" to improve the basic skills of soldiers.
The headline is misleading. It is not “Army has poor literacy levels”, it is “school leavers have poor literacy levels” and the army is doing its best to support the soldiers failed by the school system. The army only highlights it because they assess the work force. If you did the same assessment over all school leavers you would find that it is much higher.

I have seen students come out of school with GCSEs that have suggested that they have attained a standard, but looking at their work indicates that the GCSE is not worth the paper it is written on.

The army has always attempted to educate soldiers. In my day it was EPC and EPC(A). This is nothing new, when I joined my Bn there was still soldiers who had Detail and Part ones read to them and when I was teaching at the depot we sent soldiers off for intense literacy courses.
Good post, Offog.

What worries me is the number of both officers and soldiers who do not realise just how poor their education has been. The howlers I have corrected in the last week included "phase" for "faze" and "teems" for "teams"!

And don't get me started on maths.... even time and distance calculations are beyond them. The last excuse was "but I always use the GPS..."!

Litotes
 
#18
Looks as though we are singing from the same HIM sheet Litotes.
 
#19
There was a report on the AFC in Catterick by a teacher who visited it. She could not believe what the army achieved in so short a time and said they were cooking the books. It was pointed out that the soldiers are required to turn up at the right time, with the right equipment, having completed the home work and sit, listen and learn or the section Cpl would be informed. The class size was also very low. They were required to achieve or not pass out.

Maybe a lesson for the schools minister.

In the first college I work in after leaving I asked one student to subtract 180 from 300. He asked for a calculator, he was told to use the paper and pencil I had provided. It was beyond him.
 
#20
On EPC somebody had to produce a time graph and the four tonner in the problem should be in the Mackeson Book of Records as it achieved 700mph at one stage en route to the ranges.

I'm not sure how the quarter of a four tonner did as I have no details on them and not surprisingly neither did he. It did clearly say rounded up to the nearest WHOLE four tonner but he'd missed that bit.

Mind you he was a dab hand at an MMA claim. He could have processed mine anyday. Three grand for a week's leave. Thank you!
 

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