Army has killed 7,000 Taliban

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From The Sunday TimesApril 13, 2008

Army has killed 7,000 Taliban Michael Smith
BRITISH troops are to scale back attacks on the Taliban after killing 7,000 insurgents in two years of conflict, defence sources said last week.

British paratroopers have returned to southern Afghanistan in increased numbers this month. For the first time, members from every battalion of the regiment will be fighting together on one battlefront.
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Are 4 Para going as a formed unit or are they going as IRs?
 
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Just a comment here, and not in any way derogatory to our boys - I dont think that using "body count" type statistics ever helps our cause, it serves only to give ammunition to the Al-Q propagandists who try to invoke jihad, the ********* at home saying that we are killing innocent villagers, and the politicians who try to justify our own losses with an attitude of 'enemy body count equals victory', regardless of tactical or strategic aims!
 
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labrat said:
Just a comment here, and not in any way derogatory to our boys - I dont think that using "body count" type statistics ever helps our cause, it serves only to give ammunition to the Al-Q propagandists who try to invoke jihad, the ********* at home saying that we are killing innocent villagers, and the politicians who try to justify our own losses with an attitude of 'enemy body count equals victory', regardless of tactical or strategic aims!
Seconded.
 
#8
While the previous comment might be true the fact is that thanks to the hard work of our boys there are now 7000 less Taliban. The martyrdom propaganda will only go so far and the support that this may stir up amongst jihadists will surely be outweighed by the demoralizing effects the deaths of so many of their own will have

Either way, 7000 less religious fanatics in the world, that can ONLY be a good thing
 
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labrat said:
Just a comment here, and not in any way derogatory to our boys - I dont think that using "body count" type statistics ever helps our cause, it serves only to give ammunition to the Al-Q propagandists who try to invoke jihad, the ********* at home saying that we are killing innocent villagers, and the politicians who try to justify our own losses with an attitude of 'enemy body count equals victory', regardless of tactical or strategic aims!
Dead on, especially as we are constantly told in any media video footage of Afghanistan battles, that the Taliban take all their bodies with them, even if it's estimated that there's thirty dead!

Quite how they are able to gather all the body parts after a 500 pound has hit them & then slip away undetected in a barren landscape, without any air assets spotting their three hundred man column is beyond me though. :roll:
 
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I'm always a bit dubious when it comes to bodycounts of enemy dead. Its the only figure that is very difficult to be confirmed statistically when the enemy arent wearing dogtags etc..
 
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Werewolf said:
I don't think it too many... :twisted:
is it just me or are there some strange drokking words and phrases appearing in some users posts? :wink:

agree with the above post of LabRats , 'body counts' isnt a guage of progress.
personaly i think it would be better to count recovered weapons or mashed parts thereof from the bomb craters for figures to give to the press.
 
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DrStealth said:
Werewolf said:
I don't think it too many... :twisted:
is it just me or are there some strange drokking words and phrases appearing in some users posts? :wink:

agree with the above post of LabRats , 'body counts' isnt a guage of progress.
personaly i think it would be better to count recovered weapons or mashed parts thereof from the bomb craters for figures to give to the press.
Careful, Brother Stealth; we don't want to give away our Secrets to the Knowless Men... :wink:
 
#14
Considering the fact that many Taliban fighters are only there because they get paid fifty US dollars or something like that to fight, are body counts really all that useful? How do you separate out the true fanatics that are out to turn the country back into a theocracy and those that are there simply for mercenary reasons?
 
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Brick said:
Considering the fact that many Taliban fighters are only there because they get paid fifty US dollars or something like that to fight, are body counts really all that useful? How do you separate out the true fanatics that are out to turn the country back into a theocracy and those that are there simply for mercenary reasons?
Does that really matter? Whatever thier reason for fighting, they are the enemy and legitmate targets.

Having said that, I can see why bodycounts make some people nervous...

..."cough"Vietnam!"cough".
 
#16
Body counts of the enemy and body bags of your own just indicate how well the military battle is being fought on the ground.
Wars are stsated by Politicians and in this case they are the ones who will have to end the conflict.
john
"Body counts of the enemy and body bags of your own" oops does that mean I have infringed the inhuman rights of the enemy.
 
#17
is this the first army trying to kill LESS of the enemy in the future?
 
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I've always wondered where the numbers come from in the 1st place ? Aren't they taken from the briefings afterwards "I shot 2, I got 3" kind of thing ?

It's must be hard in a firefight to accurately say who killed who and how many died under a 500lb bomb.


So in essence, any count except for our own forces is really only a guesstimate.
 
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While we are knocking them down in greater and greater numbers, are we winning the hears and minds of the local people? Are we making them think " mmmm....I think I will give those British soldiers some information they might find useful" Or "the Government can keep me safe I will throw my lot in with them"
The more people who throw their lot in with the Government is a better indicator of success than dead Talibany. Though I must admit it is nice showing these cnuts what's it like to face real soldiers and give them a sound beating each and every time
 
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labrat said:
Just a comment here, and not in any way derogatory to our boys - I dont think that using "body count" type statistics ever helps our cause, it serves only to give ammunition to the Al-Q propagandists who try to invoke jihad, the ********* at home saying that we are killing innocent villagers, and the politicians who try to justify our own losses with an attitude of 'enemy body count equals victory', regardless of tactical or strategic aims!
The US appears to be keeping quiet numbers of terrorists killed in Iraq - the book "Highway to Hell" stated over 53,000 as at end of 2005, which did surprise me.
 

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