Army Green B Fleet to be hired from civilian sources

#1
By 2025, the entire green B fleet will be provided on a lease basis from a pool of civilian vehicles. As and when the Army requires vehicles then the holder will release vehicles to units concerned. When not required the vehicles are free to be released to non-military usage.

This will reduce the workload on supporting LADs in that the requirement to MEI the vehicle will fall on the provider and not the unit. Similarly major repairs will be done likewise, the costs borne in the rates of hire. This will provide savings in manhours and money allowing craftsmen of the future to have time to partake in adventurous training, attend courses, fit in a full leave year and put an end to overtime.
 
#3
gundog said:
By 2025, the entire green B fleet will be provided on a lease basis from a pool of civilian vehicles. As and when the Army requires vehicles then the holder will release vehicles to units concerned. When not required the vehicles are free to be released to non-military usage.

This will reduce the workload on supporting LADs in that the requirement to MEI the vehicle will fall on the provider and not the unit. Similarly major repairs will be done likewise, the costs borne in the rates of hire. This will provide savings in manhours and money allowing craftsmen of the future to have time to partake in adventurous training, attend courses, fit in a full leave year and put an end to overtime.
By 2025? Surely some mistake? Isn't that what we do now and our soldiers subsequently spend all their time on adv trg and taking their full entitlement of leave? And then he woke up.... :lol:

Litotes
 
#4
ringdoby said:
Is it 1st of the 4th already?














edited for mong spelling (twice :oops: )
no it isn't nor is it the glorious twelth when the grouse are about. I have it from a good source via the BBC
 
#5
Litotes said:
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By 2025? Surely some mistake? Isn't that what we do now and our soldiers subsequently spend all their time on adv trg and taking their full entitlement of leave? And then he woke up.... :lol:

Litotes
No litotes, I am referring to the compete handover of the B fleet to civilian ownership, we will only use them as and when required. It will be the natural extension of WFM which like the AFPRB promises so much but gives so little
 
#6
gundog said:
Litotes said:
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By 2025? Surely some mistake? Isn't that what we do now and our soldiers subsequently spend all their time on adv trg and taking their full entitlement of leave? And then he woke up.... :lol:

Litotes
No litotes, I am referring to the compete handover of the B fleet to civilian ownership, we will only use them as and when required. It will be the natural extension of WFM which like the AFPRB promises so much but gives so little
Given that there are a heap of perfectly good LR green 90/110 on the square at Warminster for back-loading, while the Plain is covered in LR hired in from SHB 4x4 nothing would surprise me.

The other fun idea will be when we actually try to deploy the green fleet plus the vehicles which will magically arrive from industry "just in time" under WFM. You really think the politicians will press "Go" in time or that Landrover will leap at the chance to down tools and start knocking out Wolf by the dozen....

If so can I have some of what you are smoking ?
 
#7
Trossachs said:
The other fun idea will be when we actually try to deploy the green fleet plus the vehicles which will magically arrive from industry "just in time" under WFM. You really think the politicians will press "Go" in time or that Landrover will leap at the chance to down tools and start knocking out Wolf by the dozen....

If so can I have some of what you are smoking ?
No in time of National UK Emergency the vehicles will be there ready to go. I have seen the future.
 
#8
And the money projected to be 'saved' in such an enterprise will pale into insignificance and run into a more costly debit as against the MOD in favour of the manufacturer as part of the lease package!

It will happen with the inevitability of a Greek Tragedy!

If there is one thing the Government do very well, it is to waste public money in initiatives such as this which cost more than they are designed to save!

I have not seen the future - I have simply looked at the present!
 
#9
Iolis said:
And the money projected to be 'saved' in such an enterprise will pale into insignificance and run into a more costly debit as against the MOD in favour of the manufacturer as part of the lease package!
Bear in mind that while the B vehicle is not being used by the Military it will be free to hire at a slightly cheaper commercial cheaper rate. Such cheaper rate avaliable as recompense to the civvy hirer in case the military takes the wagon and theuy need a replacement.
 
#10
Thank you Gundog.

Regards and best wishes
Iolis
 
#11
Okay, so i am not high enough on the food chain to know how all this sub contracting to a private company works.... but something along the lines of getting some other company to own and maintain the vehicles and then to hire them as needed, works out to be cheaper. I can see this going horribly wrong. As with any thing, you get another company in, subcontracting, you are bringing more people in to the equation to pay, and the more people who need paying is great for the economy but hardly saves money. Another case of New Labour accounting...... and on the same day they bring out the report on the PPP on the London Underground, simply put it does not work!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5209438.stm
 
#12
gundog said:
By 2025, the entire green B fleet will be provided on a lease basis from a pool of civilian vehicles. As and when the Army requires vehicles then the holder will release vehicles to units concerned. When not required the vehicles are free to be released to non-military usage......
This will provide savings in manhours and money allowing craftsmen of the future to have time to partake in adventurous training, attend courses, fit in a full leave year and put an end to overtime.
Ha ha Gundog me old fruit free base Crack really will show up on CDT!
With nowt to fix the Craftsmen of the future wont have a job to do and will be much easier to assimilate into the RLC! Look at some of the bright ideas lately Armr/Gun Fitter-Loss of Sparks-RD mag to grid-VMA/B/U we go round and round in circles all the time. We already have much to schinth about in our glorious Corps please dont make it worse!
Ha ha good stories for the 'Duty of I Dont Care' biffs to tell the Crow at ArBordonfield (or is it St Athan yet?) at bedtime when its lights out time.
I can see it now....
'And then the good little Craftsmen didnt have to do any work and could go on Adv Trg and do courses and stuff and play on their playstations and text all day long although they still had to wear covies in case the bad men came. With everything rosie the 'Cratsmen of the future' (as the only trade in REME was called by then) sat back and relaxed, the world was such a nice place in 2025 and they all lived happily ever after!'
 
#13
They've already done it with the 'a' and 'c' vehicle fleets with WFM and PFI(ALC), this is probably an inevitability, just suprising that it is so far away really.

We are in the throes of handing over to ALC at the moment, i don't think i will see the proper results because of the frequency of postings, but isn't that always the way?!
 
#14
well gundog if this is all to come true there will be no need for craftsmen and if we will still have craftsmen how good will they realy be?

having spent all that time on leave and adv training and never seeing the inside of a tool box.

but i see the way forward in ES as bleek, we are expensive, dirty, smelly bunch of higly versitile tradesmen who seem to always get the job done with less and less manpower and spares. But are being phased out for the more cheaper (ha ha) civi contractors. take ALC for instance its a nice little earner when u think how much they have been paid for that contract.
 
#15
Its a good job that there are so many companies kitted out with the latest proven military spec vehicles isn't it? IRR paint, cupolas, IR headlight switches, sparten cabs. Or are the army going to get one of everything from a dozen sources plus spares in an emgergency? Also please inform me of just what use a civillian has for a 4 ton equivilent TCV? If you look at most civvy commercial vehicles these days you will find vary little similarity between them and their military versions.
The BBC eh? Staright from the asses mouth then.
 
#16
Why dont we go the whole hog and hire the b fleet and hire civie mechanics too to fix the b fleet, then we can reduce manpower and say how fully manned we all are, lets all clap for the when the str*ker who thought this up gets his gong
 
#17
Cant they just hire the vehicles for those Walt Vehicle group!!
 
#18
Being ex REME and now in the transport industry I can see no way that military vehicle will be suitable for hire to civvy firms. The spec is completely wrong. If I hired a vehicle the size of a 4 tonner for example I would be needing it to carry a 9 ton payload at least. And as for hiring LR I can see no practical use for it. Secondly I would never hire , even at reduced rates, a vehicle that could be recalled at any time with minimal notice. This looks like a number cruncher's idea that has no practical value to either the military or the civilian transport industry.
 
#19
craftsmanx said:
Being ex REME and now in the transport industry I can see no way that military vehicle will be suitable for hire to civvy firms. The spec is completely wrong. If I hired a vehicle the size of a 4 tonner for example I would be needing it to carry a 9 ton payload at least. And as for hiring LR I can see no practical use for it. Secondly I would never hire , even at reduced rates, a vehicle that could be recalled at any time with minimal notice. This looks like a number cruncher's idea that has no practical value to either the military or the civilian transport industry.
I don't see many taillifts on 4/8/14T or the new 5/10/15T MAN trucks. How many UBRE/USTs will industry want. Even DROPS aren't going to be wanted because a DROPS train is a much more cumbersome beast than a 40' Artic! All of that off-road capacity and chunky tyres is going to be snapped up by industry for those hard to reach motorways, service stations and depots!

I somehow think that someone's plonker is being pulled on this one. More importantly if the REME's job were to be carried out entirely by a contractor in peacetime then someone would get a M/C/KBE for rationalising troop numbers (or in plain speak cutting the Army's strength)!
 
#20
"Here we go Mrs Smith - your hire car, It's a Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 with aircon and a CD player. Alternatively for a few extra pounds you could upgrade to a soft top Pinzgauer with ripped leatherette seats, a big green VHF radio and half of Salisbury Plain coming through the air vents. No, you won't be able to have a conversation without shouting and you'll need arms like Garth to handle the power steering but on the plus side you get a bit more respect from London cabbies."

Beautiful, just beautiful, only a government accountant could come out with such a simple, two option, solution.

a. Fully equipped Army 'ready to go' spending all its time maintaining its fleet and unable to backload or otherwise use any of the fleet for any other purpose.

b. Army with no kit going cap in hand (with at least 8 weeks notice on a priority system which only allows units deploying tomorrow to get a vehicle) to the provider whose sole purpose is to milk the army for every penny.

I've seen the future - and I'm a civvy.
 

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